This Is IT! Going to Leave California ASAP!

[Twoller]

Well, the illegal alien student thing might be easier than it looks.

How exactly does one become an illegal alien college student? If your illegal parents burped you up here, you are an anchor baby and you don't have to act like you are illegal at all. So it isn't anchor babies who are looking forward to college tuition for illegal immigrants.

It sounds like illegal immigrants are actually carting their nits accross the borders with them in some cases. Is this what is happening? Typically, we don't imagine that illegals haul families with them, the image is of people coming alone after paying off organized crime. Or they get pregnant and them come here to burp up anchor babies.

So instead of breaking out the outrage when they starting asking for college tuition, we might be able to confront them a little further up the production line.

There is also the other issue of how an illegal qualifies for college tuition. They must have sufficient educational background to get it. Where are they getting that? And why can't we boot them out of whatever educational system they are using to prepare for college?

[wetibbe]

Just remember, illegal alien college students normally can't legally and legitimately get a job after graduation !! There are cases of them moaning and groaning because no-one would hire them. Some crying two years after graduation and still unemployed.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

Just remember, illegal alien college students normally can't legally and legitimately get a job after graduation !! There are cases of them moaning and groaning because no-one would hire them. Some crying two years after graduation and still unemployed.

I still think the place to confront illegals in the college system is long before they get to college.

Again, how do we get college age illegal immigrants? How long have they been in the country illegally before they want to go to college? What about their parents?

[wetibbe]

Just remember, illegal alien college students normally can't legally and legitimately get a job after graduation !! There are cases of them moaning and groaning because no-one would hire them. Some crying two years after graduation and still unemployed.

As to Jerry Moonbeam, I read a couple of days ago that he confessed that while Governor last time he did not actually have a plan !!!! He just went drifting along and let things happen. It may be that he is just as clueless now.

I don't think Brown will be giving away the company store now if there isn't any store to give away ! With his deficit and the Government defaulting it could be the medicine that moderates his loose and liberal mentality.

About the only consolation that I can think of is that California is an example of what the other states don't want to be.

How did California and New York get so many of these screwball fruitcakes ? Could it be our liberal educational system ?

Bill O'Reilly asked that same question last night and came up with some pretty good answers for California at least.

[DerailAmnesty.com]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

Just remember, illegal alien college students normally can't legally and legitimately get a job after graduation !! There are cases of them moaning and groaning because no-one would hire them. Some crying two years after graduation and still unemployed.

As to Jerry Moonbeam, I read a couple of days ago that he confessed that while Governor last time he did not actually have a plan !!!! He just went drifting along and let things happen. It may be that he is just as clueless now.

I don't think Brown will be giving away the company store now if there isn't any store to give away ! With his deficit and the Government defaulting it could be the medicine that moderates his loose and liberal mentality.

Won't give away the store? The unions just spent millions getting him elected and don't want anything in return? You don't think he's willing to spend CA taxpayer money to make a certain constituency happy - particularly one that gave him lots of votes (Young and Hispanic)?

Do you remember the speech he gave at UCLA less than a week ago wherein he said that financial aid for illegal aliens (The California DREAM Act) in CA is exactly what he'll deliver?

Which Democratic politicians in this state, whom you can name, have stopped spending irresponsibly because we're billions in debt?

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Twoller

So what is Fr. Moonbeam going to do in office and what can we do to make his life a living hell when he is trying to do it?

We can fight. Just like we always have. There's no reason to quit, because there's no freedom anywhere unless you fight for it. That's the way it's always been everywhere.
We'll go on the offensive again real soon. We'll let the election hangover pass, and then start building up our forces again. California has some of the best climate and geography. There may be those of us who think they can survive and flourish in less hospitable areas, but I often see them return after a few years or less. If you end up being one of those who feel you can find a better life by leaving, I wish you the best, but it's not for me. I've been all over the country, and save for the climate in Florida and Hawaii, California is my choice. Hawaii is too expensive with limited opportunities, and Florida is too crowded and full of foreigners too

[Don]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

We can fight. Just like we always have. There's no reason to quit, because there's no freedom anywhere unless you fight for it. That's the way it's always been everywhere.
We'll go on the offensive again real soon. We'll let the election hangover pass, and then start building up our forces again. California has some of the best climate and geography. There may be those of us who think they can survive and flourish in less hospitable areas, but I often see them return after a few years or less. If you end up being one of those who feel you can find a better life by leaving, I wish you the best, but it's not for me. I've been all over the country, and save for the climate in Florida and Hawaii, California is my choice. Hawaii is too expensive with limited opportunities, and Florida is too crowded and full of foreigners too

Well I know many who have left California but none who ever came back. The grass may not be greener in other states, but the cost of living is usually much lower. Nevertheless, I admire your fighting spirit.

I am actually bolstered by the elections, even as I think California is probably doomed. I believe that California will not change until it really crashes and burns. The state will be forced to default and the question will be whether or not the Fed Gov will provide a "bail out." I believe there will be overwhelming opposition to any proposal to "bail out" California, much like the hostility to the proposed New York City bailout under President Gerald Ford so many years ago. There is tremendous hatred of California in other parts of the country, some of which is a bi-product of the growing resistance to illegal immigration. Just look at Arizona! Arizonans are fighting for their country and I don't think they'll volunteer to pay more taxes to bail out a state like California that basically surrendered and ran up the white flag.

I don't know about actual secession, but I do see an increasing Balkanization of the country. The Health Care fiasco and other social programs will become increasingly irrelevant as the dollar collapses and massive French Revolution style civil unrest occurs. Some people are predicting hyperinflation, like in the post-WW1 Weimar Republic.

I guess one issue will be who gets to control the keys to the nuclear weapons? Kind of like the movie Crimson Tide with Gene Hackman and Denzel Washington where a US missile sub is dispatched to launch on mythical, disintegrating Russia where one faction gained control of part of its nuclear arsenal and is threatening to attack the USA.

Will Russia dispatch a nuclear sub to launch on us if some faction seizes part of our nuclear arsenal and threatens "world peace"? Kind of like Crimson Tide in reverse. Anything is possible. This election reveals significant fissures in the country that cannot be healed by feel-good rhetoric and slogans.

Obama is going to India with a fleet of jets and 34 warships at a cost of $200 million per day. Our country is disintegrating, people are massively unemployed and we're on the brink of economic collapse, and our meglomanical leader is going off on another vacation to live like royalty in the land of maharajas. This lunatic is totally disconnected from reality. He is like the emperor Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

[Eagle1]

I am planning to leave California as well. The problem is that I may be caught in a trap. I have two homes here (neither of which is worth anything now)
and just how do you sell a home these days particularly in California.

About a week ago I visited my spare home and found that vandals had stripped
it of its main entrance wiring. This is expensive copper wiring that goes from the electrical meter to the breaker box on the side of the house.

The thieves left everything undisturbed but cut through metal conduit and
ripped out wood skirting to get at this item. It would cost close to $2k to fix this but luckily I know how to do the work.

I believe it was done by some of the localillegals in the construction trade
but I cannot prove this.

I am enraged by what California has become....a state full of thieves, welfare recipients and deadbeats coddled by politicians and untouched by local police.

Hearing that Brown, who has promised the illegals in state tuition has become our Governor, is certainly the last straw for me.

California has tremendous potential for a come back but it appears that the majority of the population is too stupid to free itself of the politicians that have ruined this state.

I have met scores of Californians who abandoned this sinking ship years ago and now live in at least a less desirable climate weather wise, but who are quite happy due to less crime and such.

I'm done with it folks. I do not want to fund this bs anymore.

We will see if I can get out or if like a hapless mouse I am caught in a trap and cannot get out without chewing my foot off.

[ilbegone]

Plyler v Doe is pretty weak stuff,

No, it's not.

Imagine all you want, dream all the fantasies you care to believe.


The Supreme Court ruling is set in stone, and any notion to the contrary is as meaningless as your commitment to to check up on the immigration status and English speaking capability of the Valdez family in Texas and the Pollard family in Florida.

The Supreme court ruling specifically mentioned the wrong of unenforced immigration law, but also considered the wrong of punishing children for the illegal parent's wrongdoing.

Here's another mission for you:

Convince the Supreme Court of the land of the error of its decision concerning Plyler v. Doe.

Stow the aggressive mode, they all speak English and they are all citizens.

And they can put you away for a while - maybe indefinately - for merely being borderline disrespectful.

we still need to know how we get illegal alien students in the first place.

Perhaps you are Missing the obvious.

Ask your Congressman. He might not inform you as to the obvious, but the answer is no further than his office and the solution no further away than his ejection from that office.

[REWHBLCAIN]

Don't fret, the Government will bale you guys out. I mean the rest of us will.