Nightingale Lowers Herself To Forum Use Again

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

Well, the more things change, the more they remain the same..

... They have a forum which I presented some inconvenient facts and a little personal opinion. Some real debate took place at first, but then within 24 hours insanity had once again prevailed, and anything not generally speaking well of Nightingale was removed. In other words, all of my posts

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Could you give us an idea of what you posted? I'd be interested hearing some substantial criticism of Nightingale on the issues, for example.

As far as I know she is the only candidate for governer that supports 1070. Isn't that worth anything? I don't really care how she gets along with anyone, I'm not looking for a roommate.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Twoller

Could you give us an idea of what you posted? I'd be interested hearing some substantial criticism of Nightingale on the issues, for example.

Supporting SB1070 makes for good sideshow here in California because it carries almost no sway with the courts or the administration. Obama certainly wouldn't be influenced by Chelene supporting SB1070 even if she were governor.
I see pretty much all of Chelene's platform as a sideshow. If you got nuthin' else, you entertain 'em.

Hey! I am bankrupt, I owe my friends, I lie, I cheat, I have no credible management skills,...
But I support SB1070, lower taxes, and the second amendment. Hoooorah!

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Twoller

Could you give us an idea of what you posted? I'd be interested hearing some substantial criticism of Nightingale on the issues, for example.

As far as I know she is the only candidate for governer that supports 1070. Isn't that worth anything? I don't really care how she gets along with anyone, I'm not looking for a roommate.

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

Supporting SB1070 makes for good sideshow here in California because it carries almost no sway with the courts or the administration. Obama certainly wouldn't be influenced by Chelene supporting SB1070 even if she were governor.
I see pretty much all of Chelene's platform as a sideshow. If you got nuthin' else, you entertain 'em.

Hey! I am bankrupt, I owe my friends, I lie, I cheat, I have no credible management skills,...
But I support SB1070, lower taxes, and the second amendment. Hoooorah!

Who cares what Obama is influenced by? Is anyone really seriously waiting for the Obamination to be influenced by something other than rot?

I'd still like to hear something about Chelene on the issues. Are you saying that she doesn't really support 1070? All the other bad stuff I am hearing about her here doesn't appear to have anything to do with any kind of public issues.

It sounds like all the obvious limitations of her candidacy, which are her availability to regular folks like us, also are generating a lot of personal contempt. I can sympathize, but I'd still like to know where she is falling down on the issues, if at all.

Where does she stand on Proposition 19?

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Twoller

Who cares what Obama is influenced by? Is anyone really seriously waiting for the Obamination to be influenced by something other than rot?

I'd still like to hear something about Chelene on the issues. Are you saying that she doesn't really support 1070? All the other bad stuff I am hearing about her here doesn't appear to have anything to do with any kind of public issues.

It sounds like all the obvious limitations of her candidacy, which are her availability to regular folks like us, also are generating a lot of personal contempt. I can sympathize, but I'd still like to know where she is falling down on the issues, if at all.

Where does she stand on Proposition 19?

I do care what Obama is influenced by. He's the president, the commander in chief, the appointer of supreme court justices, the signer of treaties, and the chief executive officer of all departments of state. I'd love to influence him. Whether that be a lawsuit, a revolt, blackmail, or whatever else I thought I could get away with

You're asking the wrong guy about chelena's stance on the issues. I've come to know her as a lying, dishonest, manipulative, megalomaniac. I don't take what people like that say to heart anymore. If they lie to me, or about me, or about people I know, why wouldn't they lie to thier constituents to get elected?

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

I do care what Obama is influenced by. He's the president, the commander in chief, the appointer of supreme court justices, the signer of treaties, and the chief executive officer of all departments of state. I'd love to influence him. Whether that be a lawsuit, a revolt, blackmail, or whatever else I thought I could get away with

You're asking the wrong guy about chelena's stance on the issues. I've come to know her as a lying, dishonest, manipulative, megalomaniac. I don't take what people like that say to heart anymore. If they lie to me, or about me, or about people I know, why wouldn't they lie to thier constituents to get elected?

I know what you mean. There are some real scum out there in elected-land. I know. But the easier it is to point out the public part of their behavior, the easier it is to sell their poor character to the rest of us. Otherwise, why should we trust you any more than we should trust them?

I don't know the cases you are talking about. The only thing I or anyone else sees is other posters talking the same way and no instances spoken of there either. Even at the personal level, it seems that the rest of us aren't required to have a clue, we are just susposed to take cues from the rest of you who have more direct experience.

Chelene -- notice the easy use of the first name -- is the only California candidate, as far as I know supporting 1070. But the only thing you have to show skepticism for that support is personal experience and no instances to report. How many people tuning in here don't know you any more than they know Chelene?

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Twoller

I know what you mean. There are some real scum out there in elected-land. I know. But the easier it is to point out the public part of their behavior, the easier it is to sell their poor character to the rest of us. Otherwise, why should we trust you any more than we should trust them?

I don't know the cases you are talking about. The only thing I or anyone else sees is other posters talking the same way and no instances spoken of there either. Even at the personal level, it seems that the rest of us aren't required to have a clue, we are just susposed to take cues from the rest of you who have more direct experience.

Chelene -- notice the easy use of the first name -- is the only California candidate, as far as I know supporting 1070. But the only thing you have to show skepticism for that support is personal experience and no instances to report. How many people tuning in here don't know you any more than they know Chelene?

No has to take my word for it. I've produced the hard evidence, and posted it for the world to see. But if people don't want to see it or believe it, it don't exist.
Not that people haven't seen through her already; I'm sure they have. That's why she hasn't seen a rush to her forum, or to her donations box.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

No has to take my word for it. I've produced the hard evidence, and posted it for the world to see. But if people don't want to see it or believe it, it don't exist.
Not that people haven't seen through her already; I'm sure they have. That's why she hasn't seen a rush to her forum, or to her donations box.

Could you cite some posts or something? I don't recall seeing any hard evidence.

If we can collect a body of criticism based on some observations that we can all share, we can lay them at Chelene's feet and expect some kind of credible response. She is a candidate and needs to respond to the general public. Her party affliations are not an issue at this point. For example, if she does not sincerely support 1070, then we need to see some substance in her stand on the issue.

[DerailAmnesty.com]

Originally Posted by Twoller

I'd still like to hear something about Chelene on the issues. Are you saying that she doesn't really support 1070? All the other bad stuff I am hearing about her here doesn't appear to have anything to do with any kind of public issues.

It sounds like all the obvious limitations of her candidacy, which are her availability to regular folks like us, also are generating a lot of personal contempt. I can sympathize, but I'd still like to know where she is falling down on the issues, if at all.

Her position on the issues is largely irrelevant. She's a liar ... to the marrow. The one thing to which Chelene has shown unwavering loyalty has been what she considers her own best interests. Every time, no exceptions. When pushed, she chooses to serve herself. She's sacrificed friendships, nearly destroyed a successful activist entity, and enthusiastically attacked the reputations of folks who were accomplishing a lot more than her in the fight against illegal immigration (Ray and Robin and the Campo folks top that list).

She's willing to have substantial prices paid if she believes it holds for her some manner of benefit. The point being, when push comes to shove, she'll abandon her positions if she thinks such will land her recognition, votes or whatever else she needs to stay in the public eye.

Chelene's welfare, uber alles. That's the governing principle. That's what the record evidences.

However, if you're still curious as to what she's peddling as an office seeker, her stated positions are on her website.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Twoller

I'd still like to hear something about Chelene on the issues. Are you saying that she doesn't really support 1070? All the other bad stuff I am hearing about her here doesn't appear to have anything to do with any kind of public issues.

It sounds like all the obvious limitations of her candidacy, which are her availability to regular folks like us, also are generating a lot of personal contempt. I can sympathize, but I'd still like to know where she is falling down on the issues, if at all.

Where does she stand on Proposition 19?

So how's that going over there Twoller. Did Chelene rush over and give you her definitive position on prop 19? From what I was reading, it looked like you were having trouble just getting someone to say they weren't even an official spokeshole for the campaign

[Twoller]

Nothing is happening over there at the forums anyway.

Somewhere before November, the candidates for governor are going to have to say something about Proposition 19. I can wait.