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Old 09-12-2012, 12:09 PM
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The supposed filmmaker , Sam Bacile is not Israeli and that is not his real name. The only guy who is talking in named Steve Klein, he lives in Riverside County and has a group called Concerned Citizens for the First Amendment, he once ran for Office as An American Independent Party member. He is also associated with the Church at Kaweah in Fresno.

” Klein also has ties to the Minuteman movement. In 2007, he sued the city of San Clemente for ordering him to stop leafleting cars with pamphlets opposing illegal immigration.”

Klein also states he he leads anti-Islam protests outside of mosques and schools, and because, he said, he is a Vietnam veteran and an expert on uncovering al Qaeda cells in California. He apparently was involved in the Protest against the Mosque in Temecula

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/te...0519fb2ad.html

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http://maxblumenthal.com/2012/09/mee...-deadly-riots/
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:25 PM
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The supposed filmmaker , Sam Bacile is not Israeli and that is not his real name. The only guy who is talking in named Steve Klein, he lives in Riverside County and has a group called Concerned Citizens for the First Amendment, he once ran for Office as An American Independent Party member. He is also associated with the Church at Kaweah in Fresno.

” Klein also has ties to the Minuteman movement. In 2007, he sued the city of San Clemente for ordering him to stop leafleting cars with pamphlets opposing illegal immigration.”

Klein also states he he leads anti-Islam protests outside of mosques and schools, and because, he said, he is a Vietnam veteran and an expert on uncovering al Qaeda cells in California. He apparently was involved in the Protest against the Mosque in Temecula
I don't have that much interest in this, so I don't want to do the background. But it wouldn't be that hard to discover really. Start with the movie credits. And someone is making money, so check the copyrights. The info is out there if you are willing to do the work. But no....I don't know who he is; at least I don't think so anyway
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:32 AM
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The film maker was clever enough to stack layers of falsehoods to remain unidentified. He had many warnings about reaction and consequences. The bogus information was probaby put out to cover his trail.

However - it seems that the attacks on our Consulates and Embassy's were deliberately timed to coincide with 9/11. The film was released back in July. The attackers are suspected to be well organized terrorists. There may have also been a few spontaneous idiots inflamed to join in. Besides the drones have been picking off Al-Qaeda leaders regularly. Anyone who has been in a war knows that BOTH sides take casualties. That's the way it works. But to target diplomats is certainly unprecedented. Out of bounds.

The film was a deliberate provocation to insult and antagonize radical Muslims. It wasn't just some production to entertain movie goers. If you keep poking sticks at a barking dog, look out, you most likely will get bit. Further the acting was below class B, it was crappy.

As to the motive ???? There was a motive alright. But that doesn't look like the work of the Mossad. It's too low class.

Everyone knows that Black Op's is just a figment of the imagination but I will advocate that Black OP's take care of this problem.

This whole mess can be laid upon the desk of Barry Soetoro.

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Old 09-14-2012, 03:37 AM
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The movie maker is Nikoula Bassely, a 55 year old Coptic Christian.

The Libyan terrorist group instrumental is Ansar Al Zaharia. Libya claims to have four of them in custody now.

The Ambassador was taken t0 a safe house. He was unaccounted for for 8 to 12 hours. He is reported to have died of suffocation from smoke inhalation in a building set on fire by the demonstrators. It is also reported that he was sodomized. The full accounting hasn't as yet been revealed. The others who died included two ex Seals. There was a fierce fire fight.

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News pundits want to inflict punishment on the Governments of Egypt and Libya by having tourists boycott Egypt and by cutting off financial assistance. But it wasn't the "Government" who sponsored the demonstrations !!!!! However, Barry Soetoro doesn't know if Egypt is a friend or as foe. The media says the Governments of both countries are suffering from Rookie Itis.

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Old 09-14-2012, 10:22 PM
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From what I have heard about the film maker, he has a criminal record involving something like bank fraud. He has spent some time in A US prison. Apparently he was posing as an Israeli Jew, to collect donations, or to defraud Jews to fund the film.

I am not exactly that interested in this incident, the riots in Libya and Cairo don't really effect my life.

I do know some Coptic Christians though. Egyptian Christians are called Copts. The Egyptian Coptic church is an early christian church, in fact it is one of the earliest Christian churches. Before the Arab conquest of Egypt in the 7th Century Ad. Egypt's dominant religion was the Coptic Christian faith. The Egyptian government states that around 10% of modern Egypt is inhabited by Coptic Christians, but many believe that their population is actually greater.
Egyptian Christians speak "Coptic" which is the final form of the ancient Egyptian language.
In modern Egypt there is often violence and persecution of Egyptian Coptic Christians by the Egyptian Muslims.

If you would like to know more, I do know that there is a Egyptian Coptic church in Santa Clarita called St. Mary's of Egypt.
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:34 PM
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After Jesus was born, Herod's army attempts to kill all the new born male children in Bethlehem.


Herod initiates the Massacre of the Innocents in hopes of killing the child Jesus. (Matthew 2:16-Matthew 2:18). But an angel appears to Joseph and warns Joseph to take Jesus and his mother into Egypt (Matthew 2:13).

I am not sure how long Jesus lived in Egypt, but this is the start of Egypt's connection to Christianity.

Throughout Egypt there are a number of churches and shrines that claim to mark an area where the family stayed. The most important of these is the church of Abu Serghis that claims to be built on the place the family had its home.

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Old 09-15-2012, 11:48 AM
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By the way, the reason I am putting the Coptic history information in this thread is because you asked the question if anybody knows who this guy is. I don't know this guy, but I was interested in getting some information about his tribe.
This relates to my other post about how in understanding different cultures one needs to not only consider the individual, one also has to understand something about the persons tribe.
I'm speculating that because this guy's tribe is a persecuted Christian minority in the Mid East, he is quite happy to provoke Muslims from the safety of America. Christian Arabs have also dealt with a fair amount of hatred dished out by Israeli Jews, maybe because of that he felt more then happy to defraud Jews as well.
We do know that this guy is a convicted felon.
I am wondering if this guy is a US. citizen, a permanent resident, or an Illegal Alien.
It would be pretty funny if it was found out that this guy was an illegal alien, and if the Obama administration would protect him.

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Old 09-16-2012, 02:55 AM
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'Sam Bacile'

The Innocence of Muslims film, which allegedly cost $100,000 to produce, was reportedly co-ordinated by Joseph Nasrallah Abdelmasih's Media for Christ nonprofit. It was apparently directed by soft pornographer Alan Roberts, an industry veteran whose prior work was dominated by titles like "Happy Hooker Goes Hollywood".

Nakoula reportedly managed the film's logistics, while Roberts directed the acting and set up the cameras.

But reports suggest that Roberts, whose real name is likely Robert Brownwell, may have been duped - along with the cast - into participating in a film that would subsequently be altered to promote objectionable political and religious messages.

Federal authorities confirmed to the AP news agency that Nakoula was indeed connected to the persona of "Sam Bacile", a man who had initially claimed to the AP that he was the film's writer and director.

But Bacile turned out to be a false identity, and the AP traced a cellphone number Bacile used to a southern California house where it located and interviewed the real Nakoula.

Bacile first said he was Jewish and Israeli, but Israeli officials said they had no records of such a citizen. Others involved in the film said his statements were contrived, as evidence mounted that the film's key player was an Egyptian-American Copt with a checkered past.

Nakoula told the AP in an interview on Wednesday that he managed logistics for the company that produced the film. But Nakoula still denied he was Bacile and said he did not direct the film - though he said he "knew" Bacile.

Other articles now suggest, based on accounts from some of the actors, that Nakoula's 21-year-old son, Abanob Basseley Nakoula, was the man who went by the alias "Sam Bacile" during filming of the "historical war drama period piece" in front of a green screen in Duarte, California.

Federal court papers filed against the elder Nakoula in a 2010 criminal prosecution noted that he had used numerous aliases, including Nicola Bacily, Robert Bacily, Erwin Salameh and around a dozen others.

Other pseudonyms used in the accounts ranged from Ahmed Hamdy to PJ Tobacco.

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Nakoula pleaded no contest in 2010 to federal bank fraud charges in California and was ordered to pay more than $790,000 in restitution. He was also sentenced to 21 months in federal prison.

He was released in June 2011, and at least some production on the video was done later that summer.

Assistant US Attorney Jennifer Leigh Williams said Nakoula set up fraudulent bank accounts using stolen identities and Social Security numbers. Checks from those accounts would be deposited into other bogus accounts from which Nakoula would withdraw money at ATM machines.

Nakoula's attorney James D Henderson Sr cited poor health in a bid for leniency and home detention, stating his client suffered from Hepatitis C, diabetes that require twice-daily insulin shots, according to a transcript of the sentencing.

Nakoula got involved in the scheme after losing his job in the gas station industry and had been forced to work for a few dollars a weekend at swap meets to try to support his children and an ailing father, Henderson said.

Tens of thousands of demonstrators have protested against the film made by American who described Islam as a "cancer" [AFP]

Prior to his bank fraud conviction, Nakoula struggled with a series of financial problems, according to California state tax and bankruptcy records. In June 2006, a $191,000 tax lien was filed against him in the Los Angeles County Recorder of Deeds office. In 1997, a $106,000 lien was filed against him in Orange County.

In addition to the fraud conviction, Nakoula also pleaded guilty in 1997 to possession with intent to manufacture methamphetamine and was sentenced to a year in jail, said Sandi Gibbons, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office.

Nakoula claims to have attended services at the Coptic Orthodox Church in Los Angeles, but the church's Bishop Serapion initially said none of his priests recognised the fraudster as a congregant.

The bishop later told the AP he confirmed with a priest in Bellflower, California, that Nakoula had once gone to the parish but had not been to services in a long time.

Nakoula swore to the bishop he had nothing to do with the anti-Islam film.

Serapion said only "God knows" if Nakoula was truthful, but the cleric told Nakoula the filmmaker should take full responsibility for the mess he made.

Stan Goldman, a Loyola Law School professor, said whether Nakoula is sent back to jail over potential probation violations linked to the recent film is a subjective decision up to an individual judge.

"Federal judges are gods in their own courtrooms, it varies so much in who they are," he said, noting such a move would be based on Nakoula's conduct - and not on the content of the film.

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