Most young Latinos U.S.-born, feel labeled as immigrants, study finds

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

I generally don't agree with the Pee-Yoo Hispanic Center, and I further believe Olson is biased due to his slanted education. Yet I placed this here as food for thought and I do believe there are elements in it which are correct.



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I've caught myself using the word "American" when I meant "white" and "white" when I meant to say "American"
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I believe this to be more true than not.

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For many, true.

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There are degrees of Mexicanization. I believe Mexicanization of adults having Mexican parents and who grew up in America is greater in places where there is itinerant labor and the kids are shuffled around, sometimes returning to Mexico in the middle of the school year for a couple of months or so. I've seen it in those areas with adults who barely speak English or have heavily accented English. I've seen it mostly in agricultural areas, and some who grew up in heavily Mexicanized metropolitan areas. And these people still won't be recognized as "Mexican" by Mexican nationals, except in the racial sense. And many Mexicans will disapprove of their (imperceptable to us) lack of "Mexicaness". Think of Villaraigosa going to Mexico trying to prove to Mexicans that he's not pocho, the only reason they'll talk to him is because they perceive something to gain.

However, while not a scientific survey and it's only been a month, I have recently gone out of my way to take every opportunity to listen to junior high and high school Brown kids in Van Nuys (where white is definitely a minority), and was surprised to hear most of them doing their thing amongst each other in English. I've heard more Spanglish in San Bernardino.

On the other hand, I have noticed quite a few Mexican Nationals who speak a sufficient degree of English to conduct business try to get the white English speaker to speak Spanish, or have the Mexican National accompanying the English speaker or a child relay and conduct the business between them. It's pissed me off on several occasions at the way it was done, no respect.

On the other hand, something which blew me away was one occasion I witnessed school kids doing their homework while speaking English in their Mexican parent's small business, and the parents weren't fluent in English by any means. It's my belief that most Mexican parents tell their children to speak Spanish in the home and around them. I've only seen this before in Asian businesses.

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Since the 60's, it's been a race based numbers game. Affirmative Action. Scholarships. Representation. Voting. The open borders people are counting on prejudicing those who can vote, hire, or do anything else beneficial for another person. 42% of people 16 to 25 in California are brown and the majority of those who are citizens will be eligible to vote in two years.

And the number is going to be bigger five years down the road.

I believe that many who are not the immediate descendants of illegal immigrants do not have sympathy for illegal migration - illegals beat them out of work just like they do white people. But the open borders crowd harp non stop about real, imagined, or invented "white racism" in order to turn whites into dehumanized oppressors of brown people.

So, my conclusion is that if the stand against illegal immigration is actually or widely perceived to be a stand concerning race rather than willful illegality, the battle is over. We can rightfully bitch about bullshit political correctness all we want, but it's not going to make any difference if we shovel ammunition to our enemies.

For what it's worth.

You make so much sense, and I agree wholeheartedly.

Just Monday I was at a house getting some applications completed where the mother who was about 8 months pregnant and her two older sons were there to interpret. I tried to tell her the process would take about two months, but instead of saying months I said 'more' is Spanish because they both are similar sounding. One of the sons corrected me, to which I replied that I didn't really care I'm an American and I don't speak Spanish. He then told me I should because there are so many who do living here. I then told him that if I were to move to Mexico or Spain I would learn Spanish, but I don't plan on moving there.

I might also add that this family had both parents and were getting Medical, foodstamps and WIC. This doesn't include the $2,000 a month in education the taxpayers are paying already to educate the two they already had. If they couldn't get by with having two kids, why did they feel it was ok to have another.

How many people have you talked to who have said, we can't afford to have any more kids, and so they don't. That's what's called being responsible for your actions, and caring about what you do.

[Rim05]

I might also add that this family had both parents and were getting Medical, foodstamps and WIC. This doesn't include the $2,000 a month in education the taxpayers are paying already to educate the two they already had. If they couldn't get by with having two kids, why did they feel it was ok to have another.

Why do they need to do any thing except just get here. Just look at what they are getting for just being here and having 2 3/4 kids. No need to work. You did not mention housing assistance but I bet it is there.
Then the thing that always ruins Christmas for me are all the TOY drives and food donations. The lead based Chinese toys should not even be in this country, Give them a BOOK, and I don't mean a comic book. I believe in helping the needy, those who lost a job through no fault of their own, illness in the family, the home destroyed by fire.
All this free hand out merely makes them expect to get what ever they need or want FREE, all you have to do is collect a bunch of kids and stand in a line.
If I sound harsh blame it on the churches, Toys for Tots, The Fire Dept toy drive etc. I could go on and on. How long do those toys last and don't you know China is happy?
Have a Merry Christmas!

[usa today]

I just came back from the store , needed Coffee

In front of me were 2 different groups of latinas , Both had a hoard of anchors , neither spoke English and BOTH had WIC cards

This is sad

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

One of the sons corrected me, to which I replied that I didn't really care I'm an American and I don't speak Spanish. He then told me I should because there are so many who do living here.

On a job where I was staying in a motel, I approached the owners and asked for a couple of towels, as the used ones had been removed and not replaced. The husband walked to the laundry room and returned with a couple of towels. In the meantime, the wife got the maid and sent her to service my room. I declined, and the owner told the maid in Spanish to give me a couple of towels. I stated that I now had the towels i had needed, there is no problem and the room can wait.

The maid didn't understand a word of the English. However, the owner was from India, and speaks at least two languages not native to India - English and Spanish.

Not long ago, I worked with a Mexican who's been here for twenty years, the last ten working almost exclusively with English speakers: he's just now getting around to the idea that he needs to take some English as a second language classes. I asked Elena how this could be - at least he should have picked up more English through osmosis. Her reply was that for all those years he didn't want to.

[ilbegone]

One of the points I was trying to make is that not everyone is the same person.

If someone is here without entering permissively through a legal point of entry deport them, regardless of their country of origin.

However, if everyone who has a brown skin and a Spanish last name is dumped into the same bag with illegal welfare cheats and illegal job stealers as well as gang bangers and trash scatterers, I believe the anti illegal immigration cause is lost.

For what it's worth.

[Rim05]

However, if everyone who has a brown skin and a Spanish last name is dumped into the same bag with illegal welfare cheats and illegal job stealers as well as gang bangers and trash scatterers, I believe the anti illegal immigration cause is lost.

If they are ILLEGAL then they do belong in the same bag as all illegals no matter what the name or color.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Rim05

If they are ILLEGAL then they do belong in the same bag as all illegals no matter what the name or color.

You're correct Rimo, but so many don't differentiate between someones legal status and their skin color. The La Raza crowd are very guilty of this, but so are many others on the opposite side. Each side exploits the errors of the other.

[usa today]

Well , when I came back here I am still the same person and will not mince PC words. If you don't like it , ban be

bottom line , you don't see the Irish, or Russians or Canadians to any large degree marching with their national flags demanding amnesty , special laws , special rules or anything else

All I see demanding these things are brown hispanics

Am I wrong here?

I see hispanics carrying mexican flags , not Irish carrying Irelands flag

I see hundreds of advocacy groups like la raza , maldef , mecha demanding rights for HISPANICS ,

On a personal level I see hundreds of spanish speakers using American benefits like food stamps , wic , and others on a daily basis

I live in a town that is spending multiple millions of dollars for dialysis care , post and pre natal and other medical services payed by taxpayer going to illegal aliens.

Maybe I'm just getting old and crochity by in my book this isn't right

Our military vets are getting screwed
our elderly are eating dog food
our schoos are a joke
our neighborhoods are turning into 3rd world slums
Time to call um as ya see um

If it doesn't measure up to the kumbyeya PC crowd , feel free to ban me
I have other homes.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by usa today

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bottom line , you don't see the Irish, or Russians or Canadians to any large degree marching with their national flags demanding amnesty , special laws , special rules or anything else

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You do see the Irish, the Russians and the Canadians making themselves comfortable as illegals just like the Mexicans. They assume the same atitudes too, they don't need to march around, they leave that to the Mexicans and anything the Mexicans get, they will get too.

Our illegal immigration problem is not a strictly Mexican problem.

... and the Indians, and the middle easterners -- Pakistani, Persian whatever you got, the Chinese. And if you look in other countries, the same problem has a completely different face. In England it is not just the Middle Eaterners, there are Poles, Lithuanians.

Anyplace you have a country that is not allowed, for some reason, to police against people being inside the country who have no permission to be there.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by usa today

Well , when I came back here I am still the same person and will not mince PC words. If you don't like it , ban be

bottom line , you don't see the Irish, or Russians or Canadians to any large degree marching with their national flags demanding amnesty , special laws , special rules or anything else

All I see demanding these things are brown hispanics

Am I wrong here?

I see hispanics carrying mexican flags , not Irish carrying Irelands flag

I see hundreds of advocacy groups like la raza , maldef , mecha demanding rights for HISPANICS ,

On a personal level I see hundreds of spanish speakers using American benefits like food stamps , wic , and others on a daily basis

I live in a town that is spending multiple millions of dollars for dialysis care , post and pre natal and other medical services payed by taxpayer going to illegal aliens.

Maybe I'm just getting old and crochity by in my book this isn't right

Our military vets are getting screwed
our elderly are eating dog food
our schoos are a joke
our neighborhoods are turning into 3rd world slums
Time to call um as ya see um

If it doesn't measure up to the kumbyeya PC crowd , feel free to ban me
I have other homes.

Please stop implying that this organization will ban you at the drop of a hat. It is insulting. We have rules that we expect EVERYONE to comply with. But we don't ban associates, we have a restricted area for those that are not in compliance with our rules. Your confronting this organization that we would ban you and you're standing up to us, is unnecessary.