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Old 12-07-2009, 02:58 PM
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Default And now this rears its ugly head

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-180641.html

I have no idea what has happened to us in the last few years

No wonder la raza is laughing their azz off at us , We just can't seem
to figure out we should be fighting them , not ourselves

I've never met Jim Gilchrest , but I know he was a pioneer in our movement
I know and have spoken to Brook many times , I don't know Swick, I am a huge fan of Spencers American Patrol, Chelene I only know from the times I've spoken to her here and in pms ,
Gheen ........well I've come to the conclusion he is a horses ass but he does
have some power in the fight , I'll give him that much

Funny deal but Simcox didn't make that rant , I do know Chris and William are big buds though.

Anyway a famous song comes to mind "Harper valley PTA"

Right now I put my trust in Patriots Corner and here for now
On a national scale its Roy Beck and Dan Stein

The rest of them can play their games
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Old 12-07-2009, 03:13 PM
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Sounds like more in fighting and more dirt being thrown, that when done in close quarters gets everybody dirty in the process. I wish these guys would take it underground and fight it out in a more personal manner rather that airing out their petty differences of opinions, jealousies, accusations and envious jabs in the public arena. Pretty soon EVERYBODY in this movement will be accusing EVERYBODY of being FRAUDS!

UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL! Doesn't anyone get that?
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Old 12-07-2009, 04:03 PM
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Sounds like more in fighting and more dirt being thrown, that when done in close quarters gets everybody dirty in the process. I wish these guys would take it underground and fight it out in a more personal manner rather that airing out their petty differences of opinions, jealousies, accusations and envious jabs in the public arena. Pretty soon EVERYBODY in this movement will be accusing EVERYBODY of being FRAUDS!

UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL! Doesn't anyone get that?
I think thats pretty much where we stand right now

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Old 12-07-2009, 04:07 PM
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Sounds like more in fighting and more dirt being thrown, that when done in close quarters gets everybody dirty in the process. I wish these guys would take it underground and fight it out in a more personal manner rather that airing out their petty differences of opinions, jealousies, accusations and envious jabs in the public arena. Pretty soon EVERYBODY in this movement will be accusing EVERYBODY of being FRAUDS!

UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL! Doesn't anyone get that?
I get it JB, and that is what our new SOS is trying to achieve. We will not censor conversations, but there will be not official standing against any organizations except those for open borders and empowerment of one specific ethnic or national group aka La Raza, MECha, LULAC, MALDEF et al.

This is what I tried to explain to William Gheen in the email I sent him. We are not his, nor anyone else's enemy. It seems to have fallen on deaf ears, as I'm sure I would have received the same from any of the others involved in their ego squabbles. But at least William can not say he didn't know what damage some of his 'friends' have done to harm the cause. We would all be best served by not involving ourselves in that pettiness. It's hard enough to deal with those closest to us who wish us harm. Remember there are plenty who work hard for the cause and don't expect you to clap and yell praises in their name. Those quiet warriors who are our real heroes.
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Old 12-07-2009, 04:53 PM
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I get it JB, and that is what our new SOS is trying to achieve. We will not censor conversations, but there will be not official standing against any organizations except those for open borders and empowerment of one specific ethnic or national group aka La Raza, MECha, LULAC, MALDEF et al.

This is what I tried to explain to William Gheen in the email I sent him. We are not his, nor anyone else's enemy. It seems to have fallen on deaf ears, as I'm sure I would have received the same from any of the others involved in their ego squabbles. But at least William can not say he didn't know what damage some of his 'friends' have done to harm the cause. We would all be best served by not involving ourselves in that pettiness. It's hard enough to deal with those closest to us who wish us harm. Remember there are plenty who work hard for the cause and don't expect you to clap and yell praises in their name. Those quiet warriors who are our real heroes.
Jean, as always... the voice of reason. Well put!
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:51 PM
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Someone please fill me in. I can't log on to see it because I'm BANNED FROM THAT FORUM
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Old 12-07-2009, 07:19 PM
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You don't have to log in to view the forums at ALIPAC. Try deleting your cookies in your browser. This is a nuisance, because you have to log in again to a lot of sites, like this one, to get the cookie back that allows you to log in automatically every time you visit. But, that should work.

All this back biting is a pretty sad display. But on the other hand, it really shows that this is a grass roots movement and not a licensed installation like the reconquistas and other open border rats. These are family feuds, mostly. It's not uncommon to have relations that find themselves squabling like this or on the wrong side of the law. If we were to look into the associations of any of the reconquistas and the rest, we'd see far more trouble, I'm sure. But it doesn't slow them down. They don't really have to depend on associations among each other, they are artificially propped up, socially and economically.
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:37 AM
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This is being prepared to send to the pro amnesty groups that are promoting new false statements made by Jim Gilchrist who heads up the practically defunct Minuteman Project which has had no significant operations since 2006 despite continued attempted fund raising.

Jim Gilchrist is reacting negatively to a new picture of him posing at the border with Shawna Forde who has been accused of double homicide including the murder of a 9 year old little girl.

Here is the picture that Gilchrist is upset about...



<a href="http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/wetibbe/?action=view&current=2009-08-12gilchrist_and_forde_mediu.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/wetibbe/2009-08-12gilchrist_and_forde_mediu.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>



In his response to the pro Amnesty groups, Jim Gilchrist makes the following false claims.

JIM GILCHRIST CLAIMS:

" She was also actively solicited by William Gheen of ALIPAC to act as a fund raiser for him in the Seattle area. She said she refused Gheen’s offers and wanted to work alone…to have her own group."

"When Forde claimed to be a victim of a beating and attempted rape, and then a shooting, in Washington state back in December 2008 and January of 2009, William Gheen of ALIPAC, Jeff Schwilk of SDMM, Brook Young of the defunct Immigration Watchdog (N. Hollywood, Ca.), and Chelene Nightingale of the defunct Save Our State (SOS) in Los Angeles launched an vicious and relentless internet email and blogging campaign designed to emotionally bludgeon Forde into oblivion.

While I make no excuse for Forde’s ALLEGED involvement in the home invasion robbery/homicide for which she is being charged, I do put some of the blame for her ALLEGED errant behavior on the shoulders of William Gheen, Jeff Schwilk, Brook Young, and Chelene Nightingale for their deliberate and vile actions toward Forde that, in my opinion, may very well have pushed her over the emotional edge, culminating in her ALLEGED involvement in ALLEGED criminal activity.

As a victim myself of similar email and blogging hate campaigns sponsored by these delusional and incurably mean propagandists, it is my opinion that as long as these kinds of people are involved in the immigration law enforcement advocacy movement it’s future success is very bleak. "

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These statements are demonstrably false because ALIPAC has never solicited fund raisers period. All funds are raised in the open on our website and with e-mails to those that sign up for our alerts. As the open records show on our FEC reports and here at ALIPAC, we have never asked any other individual or group to raise funds for us.

ALIPAC's first contact with Shawna Forde came in the form of an e-mail to my private e-mail account that I assume was given to her by Jim Gilchrist. Forde's e-mail came during one of the many exchanges where other leaders in our movement tried to reign in or quarantine the inappropriate behavior of Jim Gilchrist and his few remaining supporters.

Shawna Forde's first e-mail to me was attacking ALIPAC claiming she had never heard of us. The e-mail was in defense of Jim Gilchrist.

Shawna Forde was assigned the tittle of Border Operations Manager or something similar by Jim Gilchrist's Minuteman Project.

ALIPAC's main involvement with Shawna Forde was when we took actions to prevent the circulation Shawna's claims and photos of an alleged rape being circulated by Jim Gilchrist of Minuteman Project and Glenn Spencer of American Patrol.

It was clear to our analysts that both Shawna Forde's claims and her pictures were fictitious and being used for attempted fund raising by Minuteman Project which had already displayed unscrupulous tactics many times before.

It is our understanding that both Jim Gilchrist and Glenn Spencer have been questioned by law enforcement in regards to their association with Shawna Forde. ALIPAC has never been questioned by law enforcement. We have sent all of our documentation dealing with trying to stop Shawna Forde and her financial patron Jim Gilchrist from causing harm to our movement and issue.

It is my firm opinion that Jim Gilchrist if finally starting to realize that he has completely destroyed himself in the eyes of the immigration enforcement movement with the exception of a few castaways and people on his fund raising mailing list that have not learned of his partnership with Shawna Forde.... YET.

What he does not realize is that each time he decides to lie about ALIPAC and try to displace blame on us for his own failures, we will take the time to work more on making sure that more people know the truth about Jim Gilchrist, Glenn Spencer, and their partner Shawna Forde.

These steps are necessary to make sure that we all work as hard as possible to hold people accountable and to do our best to prevent anyone like Shawna Forde from harming people or important issues again.


In this case, Jim Gilchrist worked hard to promote and support Shawna Forde and ALIPAC worked hard to stop or limit Jim Gilchrist and Shawna Forde prior to the murders and afterward.

Those are the facts,


William Gheen
President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
www.alipac.us


(Source Link Responding to: http://tinyurl.com/yjnlcuo
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Old 12-08-2009, 07:09 AM
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I don't believe that we should react to any of this. It takes us away from what needs to be done.
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Old 12-08-2009, 07:23 AM
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It ain't worth all of that.
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