Shariah On The Move

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

The English DID? Really?

Charles Martel might have a disagreement with that.

Charles Martel? Who's that? Links?

[Kathy63]

Originally Posted by Twoller

Charles Martel? Who's that? Links?

Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.

Charles' victory at the Battle of Tours saved Western Europe from the Muslim invasions and was a turning point in European history.

The British did not befriend muslims, they conquered them and occupied almost the whole of the middle east. The British have fought against islam since the First Crusades.

When I mentioned Charles Martel, I was actually thinking of Gen. Charles Gordon, got my Charles' confused. The West has been fighting islam for CENTURIES.


Charles Gordon and the fall of Khartoum 1885
Soon after Gordon left Sudan, the country rose up in rebellion under a religious leader called the Mahdi. Several Egyptian armies were wiped out, and many foreigners were murdered. Although most people in the British Government didn't want to get involved, the strange tangles of diplomacy at the time meant that Britain had a duty to Egypt. In a strange compromise, it was decided to send Charles Gordon alone to the capital city of Khartoum to arrange for the evacuation of all foreign troops. Arriving in the city in late February, Charles Gordon found himself immediately cut off by the forces of the Mahdi. Nearly a year later, in the early days of 1885, Khartoum was sacked by the forces of the Mahdi and Charles Gordon was killed. The next day, the first elements of a British relief expedition reached the city.



Read more at Suite101: General Charles Gordon: The Life and Death of Chinese Gordon http://www.suite101.com/content/gene...#ixzz0ylOsBHti

We are STILL fighting islam. You can easily google both and get some idea of how long we have been fighting islam.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.

Charles' victory at the Battle of Tours saved Western Europe from the Muslim invasions and was a turning point in European history.

The British did not befriend muslims, they conquered them and occupied almost the whole of the middle east. The British have fought against islam since the First Crusades.

When I mentioned Charles Martel, I was actually thinking of Gen. Charles Gordon, got my Charles' confused. The West has been fighting islam for CENTURIES.


Charles Gordon and the fall of Khartoum 1885
Soon after Gordon left Sudan, the country rose up in rebellion under a religious leader called the Mahdi. Several Egyptian armies were wiped out, and many foreigners were murdered. Although most people in the British Government didn't want to get involved, the strange tangles of diplomacy at the time meant that Britain had a duty to Egypt. In a strange compromise, it was decided to send Charles Gordon alone to the capital city of Khartoum to arrange for the evacuation of all foreign troops. Arriving in the city in late February, Charles Gordon found himself immediately cut off by the forces of the Mahdi. Nearly a year later, in the early days of 1885, Khartoum was sacked by the forces of the Mahdi and Charles Gordon was killed. The next day, the first elements of a British relief expedition reached the city.



Read more at Suite101: General Charles Gordon: The Life and Death of Chinese Gordon http://www.suite101.com/content/gene...#ixzz0ylOsBHti

We are STILL fighting islam. You can easily google both and get some idea of how long we have been fighting islam.

I don't see resistance to Islam in Europe as being necessarily anti-Islam and that goes for the past as well as the present. I don't trust Geert Wilders either. A quick look at the Wikipedia entry for Charles Martel shows that he was just as happy to fight the Saxons. I am convinced that the history of Islam is the history of Islam colonialism as being applied as a hedge against resistance to Catholicism. The history of progress in Europe is largely the history of resistance to Rome.

Gordon's exploits in Sudan were the result of the hand of British empire and colonialism. Gordon was not interested in freeing Sudan from Islam as much as he was insterested in imposing British authority. And British colonial authority has never made been as aggressive against Islam as it has against other non-theist beliefs as in India. Gordon's outrage against Catholic advancement in England is more respectable, but his motives are hard to fathom there too.

[Kathy63]

You said that the British were friendlier to the muslims than the Hindus. I did nothing but point out that the British, indeed Europe as a whole have no history of friendly relationships with islam or any part of it.

Europe has had to periodically toss islam back into the pit from which it periodically emerges and this is one of those times. Whether or not Charles Martel fought the Saxons or Winston Churchill once fought the Germans.

If you believe that British authority against islam has never been as agressive as against other belief systems, that is your perogative. I'd say that your education in this area is lacking just a bit, but that too is just my opinion.

If Europe does not or cannot shove islam back to where it came from, it will find itself returned to the 8th century. If we do not or cannot shove islam back to where it came from, so will we.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

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If Europe does not or cannot shove islam back to where it came from, it will find itself returned to the 8th century. If we do not or cannot shove islam back to where it came from, so will we.

I agree.

But Islam is not the only aggressor from the Old World that needs to be confronted, the Catholic Church is another. And the Catholic Church is all too happy to take, or make, the opportunity to advance its own cause in the advance of Islam in the West and East too. The Balkans are a good example of this.

[Kathy63]

When the Catholic Church sends out suicide bombers to blow up restaurants, I'll agree with you. I haven't seen the Church demand that the mongrel be made Pope.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

.... I haven't seen the Church demand that the mongrel be made Pope.

" ... the mongrel "? What's that supposed to mean? What are you refering to?