How Much Is Not Enough?

[wetibbe]

After a few years you will learn that it doesn't matter at all what the subject is- politics - religion - guns - reloading - rifles.

Eventually people will be people. contentious, cantankerous, difficult, aggressive, bellicose.

Someone will write something and someone else will take offense and start an argument. Then it degenerates into name calling and insults eventually resulting, many times, in someone getting banned.

[Rim05]

I am for the law and wish CA had the same law.
I think everyone knows how much I am against illegal immigration but I also think everyone knows how much I am against all racial bias.

That does not mean we do not need strict immigration enforcement, because we do. At the rate we are going the Invaders will next think they are entitled to just move into our homes, they just about have everything else.
BTW, when I say Invaders I DO MEAN ILLEGALS.

[PochoPatriot]

Originally Posted by DerailAmnesty.com

Dude, I read what you had to say about the Arizona legislation on Facebook, left a reply, and made it known that I largely disagree with you. I'm also aware that the substance of your concerns are Constitutional and privacy abuses by law enforcement. That doesn't make you a La Raza sympathizer. That makes you a member of a minority in this country that actually thinks about and values Constitutional protections.

Good point! Sadly, I forgot that the easiest route for the small-minded and cowardly is to call a person a name. That is the tactic of our opposition. It's pathetic that this tactic is being employed by members of this board, and others in the past.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by PochoPatriot

I have spent the last few days thinking about how much agreement must be had within the ranks of the border security movement. I think this is an important question if we are going to grow. At the old site, there was a definite air that unless you supported Ron Paul's primary bid at the Republican nomination for President you were not a "true" Patriot. That got worse during the general election campaign, when it was the supporting of various and sundry third party candidates.

One of the members of the old board was a young guy. I would consider him left of center. On a couple of occasions he voiced some of his politics, and was immediately denounced as not being a "true" patriot. This man was every bit as much a patriot as the next guy when it came to border security. However, it was not enough for some of the posters. They seemed to demand "pure" ideology from anyone that dared to enter their domain. I believe that this attitude severely crippled that organization, and is one of the reasons that led to its ultimate demise.

The same thing is happening here, and I fear that if we do not learn from history, we will be doomed to repeat it. I speak of my opposition to Arizona's SB 1070. Because I have voiced opposition and concerns to it, I have been labeled a la razaist. So my question to you members and administration, is there now going to be an ideological "litmus" test? Do members have to agree 100% with every piece of law, in order to avoid being termed a "la razaist" by other members of this board?

Further, my opposition to this bill, is based on my concerns over its potential abuse by law enforcement on American citizens and legal residents/immigrants in this country. It seems that there is a propensity to regard all Latinos as "the usual suspects," and this is deeply troubling to me. I continually get the feeling that there are people on this board who regard people like me as second class citizens, not worthy of the same respect and equal treatment. It should be pointed out that these same people have posted openly their admiration for the actions of white nationalists and nazis in this country!

So I am left with the question, how much ideological agreement must one have to post here? And is there real freedom to post dissent without running the risk of being called a "la razaist? Or should people that agree with the general idea of border security, but disagree on specific details just shut up and go away. Further thinning the already thinned ranks of this movement, and making it look even more like the gathering of far right kooks that the leftist media makes it out to be? I hate using the word, because the Left has ruined it, but is there room for tolerance within this group, and this movement? Again, I am not speaking of the things perpetrated by the Gilchrests, Nightingales, and Gheens of this movement, but on issues where there can be civil disagreement.

What say you?

A lot of people just don't seem to understand that there are many different people out there with many different ways of thinking who just happen to be "Hispanic".

Some of the people here agree with and expound on the propaganda brown racists dish out: race is indicative of language, culture, nationality, political belief, and personal belief concerning illegal immigration.

Much of the commentary seems to be directed towards "Hispanics" as if they were all the same exact person, rather than illegality and the problems with importing poverty and displacing American workers of all races and all ancestries as well as government sanctioned fraud and the rest.

They're all willfully ignorant, criminal, Drug pushing, gang banging, child molesting, Mexican flag waving, perpetually drunken pervert border hoppers, every last one of them - regardless of who and what they truly are.

Just as it slaps me in the face as who is likely to be an illegal, I also see a multitude of people who don't fit that description and have no fondness for illegals as illegals don't respect them and drive them out of work too, yet are driven into supporting illegals by rhetoric in tune with the above sentence.

I support the idea of the Arizona law, it would go a long way towards taking the cuffs off immigration enforcement. However, there is also the probability that the pendulum would swing too far and target people who aren't illegal.

As I've stated before, the other person of my household has personally experienced pre 1964 white racism - it's ugly and it doesn't need to come back.

For what it's worth.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

A lot of people just don't seem to understand that there are many different people out there with many different ways of thinking who just happen to be "Hispanic".

Some of the people here agree with and expound on the propaganda brown racists dish out: race is indicative of language, culture, nationality, political belief, and personal belief concerning illegal immigration.

Much of the commentary seems to be directed towards "Hispanics" as if they were all the same exact person, rather than illegality and the problems with importing poverty and displacing American workers of all races and all ancestries as well as government sanctioned fraud and the rest.

They're all willfully ignorant, criminal, Drug pushing, gang banging, child molesting, Mexican flag waving, perpetually drunken pervert border hoppers, every last one of them - regardless of who and what they truly are.

Just as it slaps me in the face as who is likely to be an illegal, I also see a multitude of people who don't fit that description and have no fondness for illegals as illegals don't respect them and drive them out of work too, yet are driven into supporting illegals by rhetoric in tune with the above sentence.

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It is fair to characterize the hispanic population as being related to and supporting of the flood of illegals coming into the US from the southern border. Constantly throwing up exceptions to this simple reality is part of the strategy of open borders and anti-citizenship advocates. People who constantly require critics of Mexican immigrants and their descendents to observe exceptions are not to be trusted with supporting efforts against illegal immigration.

But, it is a huge mistake to focus completely on the corruption of the US by its Mexican population as being the basic problem. It is not the basic problem, it is merely the worse symptom of the basic problem. And the basic problem is that the US is not policing against the simple presence of illegal immigrants. And also, the US has allowed its birthright citizenship to be completely corrupted against the only possible way it should be practiced, which is US citizenship for the descendents of parents who are both US citizens.

Illegal immigrants need to be hunted down and thrown out. It doesn't matter what race they are or which country they come from. China, Europe, Canada, it doesn't matter. Get rid of them and their children. We don't want them, we don't need them and we need to show them the same contempt and derision they show us by sneaking in.