Failed Airline Bombing Was Attempted Act of Terrorism

[Kathy63]

Originally Posted by Twoller

This is another good reason for our admin here to restore the database from the old SOS site.

But, remember or not, I think we can reliably guess that the discussion was around the upcoming presidential elections.

Since you presume to have had advance knowledge of these events, what do you think should be done instead to ward off the next attack? What do you think McCain would be doing instead? What is he doing now?

This is a really big deal and I think that you know that. McCain probably would not have ignored all of the warnings, from the CIA back in August, from the terrorists own father for crying out loud. If you remember, what I said was that the next terrorist attack would come in the first year of the new presidency no matter WHO was elected. That's what they do. There was an attack during Clinton's first year and during Bush's first year. No political party provides immunity.

I think you know the answer to your question. You just want to see if I know it.

The answer is: We can't stop terrorist attacks no matter where they occur, especially on planes. We can't because we look for bombs not bombers. We are so whipped into the ground by accusations of racisim that we are UNABLE to stop attacks. The Ft. Hood killer was well known. Despite that, everyone was terrified that THEY would be the ones getting in trouble for making the complaint. We knew all about Umar the Nigerian, his father told us for one thing. Yet, his muslim religion and black face was enough to intimidate the airport authorities into letting him on the plane without a passport.

Now airports are going to use full body scanners - on EVERYONE. Can't single out muslim men between 18 to 34 can we? No. One democratic congresswoman suggested that we look for behavioral differences. Oh YEAH. That's nothing more that profiling using different words. We all know that the behavioral differences are going to belong to muslim men between 18 and 34 yelling Allah Akbar.

The full body scanners are for domestic consumption to assure the American people that something is going to be done. It's not, terrorists have already been made aware of that. It would not have stopped the Flt. 253 attack. The scanners see under clothing. They are not x-ray machines that see within bodies. Umar had the major portion of explosives in his rectum. The detonator was concealed between his penis and scrotum. A pat down wouldn't have found the bomb. A full body scan wouldn't have found it.

Al Quaeda is always one step ahead of us and we are always looking for the last bomb. Reid had a shoe bomb, everyone takes off their shoes, the 911 terrorists had box cutters, we start confiscating nail clippers. Now we're going to start looking in clothing.

Now terrorists know EXACTLY how to avoid detection. We told them. We told them that under no circumstances would we actually start looking for bombers.

We had the young soldier killed. We had Hasan at Ft. Hood, and Flt. 253. Four police officers in Seattle were executed by the black muslim Seattle Black Footsoldiers. Let me spell it out. The attacks are becoming more frequent and closer together. Each one is treated as an isolated law enforcement incident. This gives Al Quaeda more information. They are organized. We refuse to recognize that organization. Therefore our response is not organized. Disorganization and chaos will never win against an organized and determined force.

Did you hear that idiot in the white house? This is a lone extremist! The "lone" extremist said there are 25 british muslims that trained with him. The Yemeni prime minister estimates 300 suicide bombers in training right now. Yet, the idiot says we should ignore all that and believe him when he says this is a lone extremist.

If we cannot change. If we cannot mount a credible defense, throw off political correctness and organize complete with profiling suspicious persons we have lost. Soon, probably sooner than later, our cities will become like Haifa. Only WORSE, because we will prosecute anyone who reports someone acting or appearing as if they are ready to light off. Americans will be prosecuted for various hate crimes and terrorists allowed to walk free.

McCain is not the leader of the republican party any more than Al Gore is leader of the democrats. John McCain is not immune from the slings and arrows of political correctness. He throws a few himself now and then. I do think that if John McCain were president instead of Cocaine Barry, we would be experiencing the kind of financial catastrophe we now have. No cap and tax, no universal health care, no reducing our arms and letting the Russians in to count and make sure our arsenals really are being depleted.

John McCain could not stop what's coming. No republican can, no democrat can. Not unless we put the brakes on and turn around the entire national philosophy.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

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If we cannot change. If we cannot mount a credible defense, throw off political correctness and organize complete with profiling suspicious persons we have lost. Soon, probably sooner than later, our cities will become like Haifa. Only WORSE, because we will prosecute anyone who reports someone acting or appearing as if they are ready to light off. Americans will be prosecuted for various hate crimes and terrorists allowed to walk free.

McCain is not the leader of the republican party any more than Al Gore is leader of the democrats. John McCain is not immune from the slings and arrows of political correctness. He throws a few himself now and then. I do not think that if John McCain were president instead of Cocaine Barry, we would be experiencing the kind of financial catastrophe we now have. No cap and tax, no universal health care, no reducing our arms and letting the Russians in to count and make sure our arsenals really are being depleted.

John McCain could not stop what's coming. No republican can, no democrat can. Not unless we put the brakes on and turn around the entire national philosophy.

A good part of the suggestion that McCain would have done something different can only be affirmed by observing what McCain is doing now. Which is ... what?

Yes, this country has got to confront the reality that Islamic belief is not compatible with modern open societies where religious belief is unprotected by civil authority. But Islam is not the only system of beliefs that are a threat to modern society. Catholic belief is another and it is Catholic confrontation with attempts to put it under the spotlight that has numbed non Catholic citizens everywhere to the current situation. This is the problem in Great Britain, the Netherlands, Germany, the US and everywhere there is a traditionally non-Catholic country populated with any significant number of Catholic citizens.

[Kathy63]

Originally Posted by Twoller

A good part of the suggestion that McCain would have done something different can only be affirmed by observing what McCain is doing now. Which is ... what?

Yes, this country has got to confront the reality that Islamic belief is not compatible with modern open societies where religious belief is unprotected by civil authority. But Islam is not the only system of beliefs that are a threat to modern society. Catholic belief is another and it is Catholic confrontation with attempts to put it under the spotlight that has numbed non Catholic citizens everywhere to the current situation. This is the problem in Great Britain, the Netherlands, Germany, the US and everywhere there is a traditionally non-Catholic country populated with any significant number of Catholic citizens.

I fail to see your point? Is Al Gore addressing international terrorisim, or Dan Quayle, or let's see, ANY serving senator? No. Of course not. John McCain will do absolutely nothing with respect to terrorist activity. Nor should he. It's not his place, he doesn't have the power. It isn't even appropriate. Now if McCain had gotten the same kind of CIA briefings in August that obamadinejad did and said nothing, that's different. But he didn't get those briefings. He wasn't supposed to.

I get kind of your point in comparing Catholicism with islam being equally destructive. Certainly that Catholic Church supports immigration both legal and illegal on the basis that God's church has no borders. I disagree with that, but then I'm not a Catholic and aren't supposed to agree with it to support my religion. I do not see Catholics gunning down police officers having breakfast, or shooting up a military base, or carrying bombs onto planes. Correct me if I'm wrong.

On the other hand, if we can shake off the destructive force of fear of being labeled a racist, political correctness and every other criminalization of social activity, we shake off what's foisted upon us by the Catholic Church as well.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

I fail to see your point? Is Al Gore addressing international terrorisim, or Dan Quayle, or let's see, ANY serving senator? No. Of course not. John McCain will do absolutely nothing with respect to terrorist activity. Nor should he. It's not his place, he doesn't have the power. It isn't even appropriate. Now if McCain had gotten the same kind of CIA briefings in August that obamadinejad did and said nothing, that's different. But he didn't get those briefings. He wasn't supposed to.

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McCain once presumed to have solutions to these problems, else he would not have tried to sell the rest of us he was fit for the office. Al Gore has taken up the cause of global warming (Whatever that is, and of course I don't think he knows or even cares, either.) and the attention he commands is based mostly on the momentum he built up running for president. McCain is in the senate and he has some kind of public recognition. He could say something. If he tries to run on the Republican ticket again, for anything, people are going to remember he just sat there after losing the election. If he has nothing now, it is easy to conclude that he never did. This would have been the end of his first year as president.

McCain's opinion on Obama's disinterest in terrorist threats is not the first thing I think of when I see these things happen, but you brought up the past.

I agree, we should be hunting bombers, not bombs. And we should be looking at those communities where these things are most likely to be coming from first. Like Muslims.