Latino toddlers lag white children in cognitive skills

[Jeanfromfillmore]

But the drop-off in the cognitive scores of Hispanic toddlers, especially those from Mexican backgrounds, was steeper than for other groups and could not be explained by economic status alone, he said. quote

The study states that there were other factors besides poverty that were the cause of this problem. I still think it's the genes.

[ilbegone]

I think we might be able to put this in the same category as this:

See Baby Discriminate

Kids as young as 6 months judge others based on skin color. What's a parent to do?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/214989/page/1

The article concerning the biased "study" seems to have been cleaned up - as I remember it the header was something like "Is your baby a racist?", featuring a picture of a white baby. I believe it has also been edited to be less offensive, as the article seemed to originally to be focused more on white children having racist notions, without similar reference to babies of other races.

I think we all remember this quote from the article:

If "black pride" is good for African-American children, where does that leave white children? It's horrifying to imagine kids being "proud to be white."

The comment section has been closed and I believe the commentary isn't accessible anymore, there must have been a firestorm of criticism.




I also believe that if we focus too much attention on the New York Times and LA Times articles concerning an unnamed study about brown babies and speculate as to whether the quoted conclusions are due to genes or environment, it will be spun into something like this:

...hispanic gang members, homosexuals and transvestites, Jews, and misguided college kids... http://www.nsm88.org/reports/califor...ortoct2009.htm

Then the usual progression from there:

"The Holocaust - The Nazi Genocide" http://www.deathcamps.info/

Just my two cents: do what you like, but I don't think poking sticks at that sleeping dog is going to help us.

[Eagle1]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

But the drop-off in the cognitive scores of Hispanic toddlers, especially those from Mexican backgrounds, was steeper than for other groups and could not be explained by economic status alone, he said. quote

The study states that there were other factors besides poverty that were the cause of this problem. I still think it's the genes.

I agree with Jean, it is the genes. Consider that in many of the countries of origin that the parents were born in there was a shortage of available foods with people eating only what they could find and sometimes not eating at all. The lack of proteins and other essentials that are needed for a healthy body and specifically the brain if not ingested will lead to deficiencies resulting in poor cognitive skills and a host of other problems.

Once a persons physiology is affected the degraded performance can be passed on to the offspring genetically.
I believe that a poor diet has had a disastous effect on the citizens of the third world.

Factor number two, culture does begin early on though. In many South of the border and other third world nations the norm is to simply survive with whatever they can as quickly as they can. There is not an emphasis in learning the three R's as we do here and as is done in other developed nations.

Mom and dad frequently could care less about what the little one learns in school or what the report card says. School is a baby sitting service as far as they are concerned. There are exceptions of course but generally the peoples from third world countries can hardly be considered over achievers.
Culture, genes, they both have a lot to do with this issue.

[PochoPatriot]

I don't think that genetics has anything to do with this issue. There are a number of Latinos, including myself, out in the world that are intelligent and had no language skill issues. The issue is very simply culture. The Latino culture does not appreciate education. They believe in hard physical work. There is a general disdain for people that do not engage in physical labor. There is also a general fear that their children will "forget their roots" disdaining the culture and becoming "Americanized."

All this talk about genetics really causes me concern because the Latinos are not stupid. All one has to do is look at the numbers of Latinos who have become successful. In those families we see one common thread, that is the valuing of education by the parents. These parents have abandoned the old mindsets and have insisted that their children take advantage of the opportunities that would never be afforded to them in Mexico or any other Central American banana republic. Immigrant parents who understand that the key to getting ahead in America is to get an education all have descendants who are not educated.

I see the current crop of children as no different than the first wave of non Anglo-Saxon immigrants that hit America in the late 1800s to early 1900s. Many of these children are bilingual. As were most Jewish, Irish, Italian, German, Russian, Swedes, Poles, Norwegians, etc. As are most of the Asian, African and Central Americans we have now. It is not genetics. They are not some inferior ethnicity, with which mass deportations is some sort of final solution. No, they are people. They are misguided people, but they are people.

The general rule that Latinos do not value education, is not an issue that is relegated to Latinos only. There are blacks that do not value education, and there are, I dare say, whites that do not value education. However, when an education is valued than you see the rise of a people group up from poverty and into the middle class.

This is not a genetic issue. It is a cultural issue, and that issue will not go away until the illegal invasion is stopped, and the immigrants we have now are assimilated into American culture.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by PochoPatriot

I don't think that genetics has anything to do with this issue. There are a number of Latinos, including myself, out in the world that are intelligent and had no language skill issues. The issue is very simply culture. The Latino culture does not appreciate education. They believe in hard physical work. There is a general disdain for people that do not engage in physical labor. There is also a general fear that their children will "forget their roots" disdaining the culture and becoming "Americanized."

All this talk about genetics really causes me concern because the Latinos are not stupid. All one has to do is look at the numbers of Latinos who have become successful. In those families we see one common thread, that is the valuing of education by the parents. These parents have abandoned the old mindsets and have insisted that their children take advantage of the opportunities that would never be afforded to them in Mexico or any other Central American banana republic. Immigrant parents who understand that the key to getting ahead in America is to get an education all have descendants who are not educated.

I see the current crop of children as no different than the first wave of non Anglo-Saxon immigrants that hit America in the late 1800s to early 1900s. Many of these children are bilingual. As were most Jewish, Irish, Italian, German, Russian, Swedes, Poles, Norwegians, etc. As are most of the Asian, African and Central Americans we have now. It is not genetics. They are not some inferior ethnicity, with which mass deportations is some sort of final solution. No, they are people. They are misguided people, but they are people.

The general rule that Latinos do not value education, is not an issue that is relegated to Latinos only. There are blacks that do not value education, and there are, I dare say, whites that do not value education. However, when an education is valued than you see the rise of a people group up from poverty and into the middle class.

This is not a genetic issue. It is a cultural issue, and that issue will not go away until the illegal invasion is stopped, and the immigrants we have now are assimilated into American culture.

The article did not point out just 'Latinos,' it stated specifically Mexican children. And we know that whole small semi isolated villages have migrated here. You're assuming they are speaking of all of Latin America, but they're not, at least that's the way I read it. Most of Mexico and beyond are a mix of Spanish, Portuguese and other European countries including the African Continent. But the small villages are not so mixed and have a much smaller gene pool makeup. The article states the finding found that economic status is not the defining cause. Just as some diseases are genetic to specific races or people, so may be intelligence. This in itself may be the scientific grounds for mixing of different races. I know mutt dogs are better than pure breeds. Why shouldn't people be the same. Genes are like the lotto, when you have the right combination, you win, even if the odds are against you. So out of so many there will often be a winner. The question is, how many right combinations there are available to how many in the pool.

[Eagle1]

Originally Posted by PochoPatriot

I don't think that genetics has anything to do with this issue. There are a number of Latinos, including myself, out in the world that are intelligent and had no language skill issues. The issue is very simply culture. The Latino culture does not appreciate education. They believe in hard physical work. There is a general disdain for people that do not engage in physical labor. There is also a general fear that their children will "forget their roots" disdaining the culture and becoming "Americanized."

All this talk about genetics really causes me concern because the Latinos are not stupid. All one has to do is look at the numbers of Latinos who have become successful. In those families we see one common thread, that is the valuing of education by the parents. These parents have abandoned the old mindsets and have insisted that their children take advantage of the opportunities that would never be afforded to them in Mexico or any other Central American banana republic. Immigrant parents who understand that the key to getting ahead in America is to get an education all have descendants who are not educated.

I see the current crop of children as no different than the first wave of non Anglo-Saxon immigrants that hit America in the late 1800s to early 1900s. Many of these children are bilingual. As were most Jewish, Irish, Italian, German, Russian, Swedes, Poles, Norwegians, etc. As are most of the Asian, African and Central Americans we have now. It is not genetics. They are not some inferior ethnicity, with which mass deportations is some sort of final solution. No, they are people. They are misguided people, but they are people.

The general rule that Latinos do not value education, is not an issue that is relegated to Latinos only. There are blacks that do not value education, and there are, I dare say, whites that do not value education. However, when an education is valued than you see the rise of a people group up from poverty and into the middle class.

This is not a genetic issue. It is a cultural issue, and that issue will not go away until the illegal invasion is stopped, and the immigrants we have now are assimilated into American culture.

I don't think that every Latino family has damaged genes in this area but there are definitely a number out there.

Culture I agree is a factor but even there we have a good number of latinos around the world that excell in just about everything.

What do you mean by assimilating the immigrants already here? Are you talking about the illegal aliens that are here?

[PochoPatriot]

Originally Posted by Eagle1

I don't think that every Latino family has damaged genes in this area but there are definitely a number out there.

Culture I agree is a factor but even there we have a good number of latinos around the world that excell in just about everything.

What do you mean by assimilating the immigrants already here? Are you talking about the illegal aliens that are here?

When I speak of immigrants I am referring to legal immigrants. There is a huge problem with legal immigrants refusal to integrate in the dominant American culture.