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Old 03-21-2011, 01:11 PM
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Obama’s War in Libya is Illegal and Unconstitutional

By Cliff Kincaid | March 20, 2011
On CNN’s “Reliable Sources” show on Sunday, host Howard Kurtz asked, “One major question about the assault on Libya, what happened to the media’s skepticism?” He’s right, but his comparison to the war in Iraq was wrong. The correct parallel is President Bill Clinton’s illegal and unconstitutional military intervention in the civil war in Kosovo, then a province of Serbia. Serbia, like Libya today, did not present a threat to the U.S., but in both cases Democratic presidents went to war with those nations anyway, in order to strengthen international organizations.
What the media are missing is the fact that Obama’s war on Libya has no basis in law or the U.S. Constitution. He has decided to wage this war on his own with the authorization of the United Nations, not the U.S. Congress.
The conservative Washington Times has it right. In an editorial headlined, “Obama’s illegal war. Congress, not the U.N., should authorize force against Libya,” the paper said, “Removing Moammar Gadhafi from power would probably advance the cause of freedom, but the United Nations has no legal authority to take a step of this magnitude. By bowing to the will of the U.N. Security Council, President Obama is diluting the sovereign power of the United States.”
It’s true that President Reagan attacked Libya in 1986. But that was retaliation in self-defense, which is always reserved for the Commander-in-Chief, after evidence showed that the Gaddafi regime had attacked and killed Americans in Germany through a terrorist bombing.
“Today,” Obama said on March 19, “I authorized the Armed Forces of the United States to begin a limited military action in Libya in support of an international effort to protect Libyan civilians. That action has now begun. In this effort, the United States is acting with a broad coalition that is committed to enforcing United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, which calls for the protection of the Libyan people.”
Obama said, “I’ve acted after consulting with my national security team, and Republican and Democratic leaders of Congress. And in the coming hours and days, my administration will keep the American people fully informed. But make no mistake: Today we are part of a broad coalition. We are answering the calls of a threatened people. And we are acting in the interests of the United States and the world.”
The President has no such “authorization” from Congress and consultation with Congress is not sufficient under the Constitution.
This announcement followed a February 25 executive order declaring Libya “an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States,” which is ludicrous on its face. Obama then declared “a national emergency to deal with that threat.”
All of this happened without any critical comment from the media. Indeed, the media called for Obama and the “international community” to do something.
Even a prominent media watchdog like Howard Kurtz, while criticizing the media for not asking the right questions, asks the wrong questions and comes to the wrong conclusions.
On CNN, Howard Kurtz said, “U.S. warplanes hitting targets in Libya for a second day today. And I have to say this at the outset—the media get excited by war, the journalistic adrenaline starts pumping as we talk about warships and warplanes and cruise missiles, and we put up the maps and we have the retired generals on. And sometimes something is lost in that initial excitement.”
But then he went on a tangent: “It reminds me of eight years ago this very weekend, when Shock and Awe was rained down upon Baghdad and the media utterly failed to ask skeptical questions.”
The difference is that Congress authorized the invasion of Iraq after a debate. Congress has not authorized the war on Libya.
Strangely, House Speaker John Boehner does not seem to recognize how his constitutional authority and the sovereignty of the United States are being undermined.
In a statement, he said, “The United States has a moral obligation to stand with those who seek freedom from oppression and self-government for their people. It’s unacceptable and outrageous for Qadhafi to attack his own people, and the violence must stop. The President is the commander-in-chief, but the Administration has a responsibility to define for the American people, the Congress, and our troops what the mission in Libya is, better explain what America’s role is in achieving that mission, and make clear how it will be accomplished. Before any further military commitments are made, the Administration must do a better job of communicating to the American people and to Congress about our mission in Libya and how it will be achieved.”
To repeat: simply being the commander-in-Chief does not allow the President to wage an offensive war on a country that does not threaten the United States.
We at AIM were similarly critical of the media for failing to raise these issues when Clinton went to war in Kosovo. That case was even worse than Libya because the U.N. did not authorize the military intervention there. Clinton used NATO rather than the U.N. But NATO, which came into being through a treaty as a defensive military force, had been illegally transformed without the benefit of a treaty into an offensive military force.
To make matters worse, Clinton intervened on behalf of the Muslim terrorists in the Kosovo Liberation Army against the Christian Serbs. The result was creation of a Muslim state, Kosovo, in the heart of Europe.
Obama’s agenda in Libya is the enforcement of the U.N.’s so-called “Responsibility to Protect” doctrine, whereby nations work through the U.N. to intervene in the internal affairs of member states. The “Responsibility to Protect” was mostly the work of the World Federalist Movement, a group dedicated to world government by strengthening the United Nations system.
U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973 on Libya calls for a no-fly zone and reiterates a “Responsibility to Protect” through explicit language on the “protection of civilians” against the regime.
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called the resolution “historic,” which is correct, and noted that it “affirms, clearly and unequivocally, the international community’s determination to fulfill its responsibility to protect civilians from violence perpetrated upon them by their own government.”
It sounds like a New World Order.
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obama%...onstitutional/
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Old 03-21-2011, 08:29 PM
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How many of our foreign expeditions in the last 230 years have had snowy white constitutional backing? Probably not the majority by any yard stick.

So instead of pretending to be virtuous on either side of the issue my belief in international affairs is "Don't play games".

Gadhafi was warned by Reagan thirty years ago. Fly a cruise missile up his ass and be done with it without killing thousands of Libyans while squandering untold billions of dollars we don't have.
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Gadhafi was warned by Reagan thirty years ago. Fly a cruise missile up his ass and be done with it without killing thousands of Libyans while squandering untold billions of dollars we don't have.
The plan(s) as I see them, are to instigate a rebellion under the guise of fighting for democracy or deposing a tyrant dictator. During the process, arm both sides for profit, and then go in after they decimate each other and bring in new meat to make up for all the losses. The diktater is deposed or dead, the rebels are mostly slaughtered during the battles (thanks to your intervention at the right moments) and the area is ripe for development of your interests

The formalities of declaring war have become a whole lot less formal now. Just a tip of the sceptor I guess. But who is really boss? Can't be that long legged hope-n-change sock puppet in the whitehouse. He's not the type.
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The plan(s) as I see them, are to instigate a rebellion under the guise of fighting for democracy or deposing a tyrant dictator. During the process, arm both sides for profit, and then go in after they decimate each other and bring in new meat to make up for all the losses. The diktater is deposed or dead, the rebels are mostly slaughtered during the battles (thanks to your intervention at the right moments) and the area is ripe for development of your interests

The formalities of declaring war have become a whole lot less formal now. Just a tip of the sceptor I guess. But who is really boss? Can't be that long legged hope-n-change sock puppet in the whitehouse. He's not the type.
Obama can't duck it without looking even more impotent and irrelevant than he did day before yesterday.

I don't know what the deal really is, none of those United Nations blowhards are denouncing all the sub Saharan mass murdering going on for decades in fourth world African countries with little readily exploitable resources... all Libya has is sand, Arabized northern Africans, a crazed lunatic in charge, and oil.

And Obama isn't interested in oil... unless it's eight dollars a gallon for 87 octane down the street at the corner gas station.
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... all Libya has is sand, Arabized northern Africans, a crazed lunatic in charge, and oil.
It's also a beachhead, and a domino
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It's also a beachhead, and a domino
Sincere question, a beach head and domino to exactly what?

Don't we have enough of that in Iraq?
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Sincere question, a beach head and domino to exactly what?

Don't we have enough of that in Iraq?
We're not in Iraq anymore. The puppet regime is set up there already. So now we need another place to stage the forces until the next big slice of cheese can be cut..Iran
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We're not in Iraq anymore. The puppet regime is set up there already. So now we need another place to stage the forces until the next big slice of cheese can be cut..Iran
Go to Fort Irwin or Camp Wilson at Twenty Nine palms and convince those about to ship out that we don't have a presence in Iraq.

Besides, Iran is sandwiched between Iraq and Afghanistan. Libya is several nations by land and a couple of stretches of water and two sand filled countries full of hostile inhabitants away from Iran.

I'm not getting it.
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Go to Fort Irwin or Camp Wilson at Twenty Nine palms and convince those about to ship out that we don't have a presence in Iraq.

Besides, Iran is sandwiched between Iraq and Afghanistan. Libya is several nations by land and a couple of stretches of water and two sand filled countries full of hostile inhabitants away from Iran.

I'm not getting it.
Iraq is like Korea. we have forces there, but no war to justify sending aircraft carriers to

Invading Iran from Iraq would likely leave our butts hanging out in a not-quite-trustworthy government there. With libya and a host of other nations still in the arab camp, what's to prevent a coalition of arabic dictators from attacking the US once it has shaken the Iranian serpent. No; I see strategic planning here. Pacify a few, invade a few; destabilize a few. No one to flank us then
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Iraq is like Korea. we have forces there, but no war to justify sending aircraft carriers to

Invading Iran from Iraq would likely leave our butts hanging out in a not-quite-trustworthy government there. With libya and a host of other nations still in the arab camp, what's to prevent a coalition of arabic dictators from attacking the US once it has shaken the Iranian serpent. No; I see strategic planning here. Pacify a few, invade a few; destabilize a few. No one to flank us then
What's to stop them from getting together and attacking us now?

They hate each other, some have an interest in selling us overpriced oil while worming us into position to do their dirty work on our dime while pointing fingers at "aggressor Americans"

Their collective leadership consists of thuggish calculating assholes who can't field an effective army, but egg their citizens on against us just enough to take domestic attention off their corrupt dictatorships. And our government generally kisses their asses.
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