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Old 11-19-2009, 08:31 AM
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I'm out of fashion. I think people should use the term. A pejorative is appropriate for someone who engages in improper or unlawful behavior. I realize this is 180 degrees in the opposite direction of the perspective of folks who get upset when you call someone an illegal immigrant because a person can't be illegal.

I think wetback has utility and connotes a particular type of disdain for people in the country unlawfully. Further, it does not fall into the same objectional category as nigger, spic or ginny because one has no control over his skin color or nationality, however, being an illegal alien is something that requires affirmative steps to accomplish. You're not born into illegal alien status with no control over it.
I agree 100%. In no way does the term "wetback" denote any kind of racial stereotyping. It refers precisely to an illegal activity and all of its implications. The children of wetbacks are not wetbacks, they are "anchor babies", another entirely appropriate pejorative.

The victims here are not the people who fit the terms, but the people who use the words to show their entirely justified contempt.
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Old 11-19-2009, 08:42 AM
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I agree 100%. In no way does the term "wetback" denote any kind of racial stereotyping. It refers precisely to an illegal activity and all of its implications. The children of wetbacks are not wetbacks, they are "anchor babies", another entirely appropriate pejorative.

The victims here are not the people who fit the terms, but the people who use the words to show their entirely justified contempt.
I hate to bring this argument up with you again, Twoller, but although we agree on the first point, the children of illegals are not responsible for their actions and don't deserve to be labelled with a pejorative term. However I don't really think "anchor babies" is all that bad.
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"I entirely reject the concept, however, of "anchor babies." If parents are found to be here illegally, then the whole family, children as well, should be sent back to the parents' country of origin."
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Old 11-19-2009, 08:54 AM
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I hate to bring this argument up with you again, Twoller, but although we agree on the first point, the children of illegals are not responsible for their actions and don't deserve to be labelled with a pejorative term. However I don't really think "anchor babies" is all that bad.
In my opinion Phil, it would depend upon the politics of the individual. children of illegals that subscribe to the open borders/Aztlan crowd beliefs or openly declare allegiances to other countries might very well deserve a label. On the other hand, there could be a few examples where they reject that philosophy entirely, and want to be, or exhibit an America first attitude. But we hardly hear from, or see the latter, do we? Is that because there are none, or another example of our agenda driven mainstream media?
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Old 11-19-2009, 10:56 AM
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In my opinion Phil, it would depend upon the politics of the individual. children of illegals that subscribe to the open borders/Aztlan crowd beliefs or openly declare allegiances to other countries might very well deserve a label. On the other hand, there could be a few examples where they reject that philosophy entirely, and want to be, or exhibit an America first attitude. But we hardly hear from, or see the latter, do we? Is that because there are none, or another example of our agenda driven mainstream media?
So what would be an appropriate nickname for those who don't want to be Americans first? Maybe there is one but I can't just think of what it would be.
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Old 11-19-2009, 12:04 PM
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... On the other hand, there could be a few examples where they ... want to be, or exhibit an America first attitude. ...
If anchor babies want to exhibit an America first attitude, then should we accept their birthright citizenship? I don't think so. Anchor babies know who they are and many of them are grown up already and have falsely assumed the role of US citizens. So what if they exhibit an "America first" attitude? It contradicts the corrupted institution that they have assumed membership in.

If anchor babies want to honestly embrace US citizenship and confront the corrupted system that has made them US citizens -- as any US citizen should -- then they should reject their US citizenship and reintroduce themselves as struggling to become naturalized. They should attempt to become US citizens as if they were foreign nationals.
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