Donnelly's Office Tells Us To Take A Hike

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Cole Younger

It does appear the nut cases are still attempting to lead this movement so nothing has really changed. This Schick guy, nightingale, Don Silva, Barbara Coe, Gheen, Turner, Gilcrest, etc...have done more harm than good. They all started out with a nobel cause and then they destroyed it with petty in fighting to down right criminal behavior........the funny thing is they are calling Davi a traitor. Like most Napoleonic / Hitler type dictators, they can't take constructive criticism. Things have to there way or the highway and the problem is, they do not have a clue.This is not a leader: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjImcBRYYYQ

"it's a order, why? because I said so" I must have failed to get the memo...no one told me they appointed this guy god...

You lead by example and this guy is setting a piss poor example. He became a puppet to a uneducated puppet master. If these idiots are the leaders of the movement, kiss the movement good by. If they cared about the movement, they would step aside and fade away. They won't though. All they care about are themselves. They are in this for personal gain. They need to have there Ego's stroked..They are nobodies trying to be something. They are a waist of time.

No way am I going to say or do anything that looks supportive of Naui. That guy is rodent droppings. Jeff may be a jackass, a fool, a loud foul-mouthed snarling careless dolt, but I still cannot fault him over Naui, especially when that little trolling chihuahua was getting in the faces of Americans getting on their feet on the streets.
I've said this before, and I'll repeat it again.: loyal Americans come first and foremost where it concerns the battle for control of immigration laws, even those loyal Americans I don't like. I don't ever discourage any loyal american from getting on the streets protesting for our cause. Even that cockroach nightingale. My revulsion for her is known far and wide, but I have never said she or schwilk should stop protesting or rallying in the immigration arena. In fact, most of my criticism leveled at her during her campaign and before it had to do with her sidetracking or trying redirect the effort towards her own self-aggrandizing schemes. But no way would I tell them they shouldn't be getting on the streets with a protest sign in our favor.
Yes, she makes me nearly vomit when I see her prancing on a stage all made up like a 12 year old who broke in to her mom's cosmetic cabinet, but she doesn't do that for our cause. Did you ever seen her dress that way for SOS functions? I may be revolted by the site of her in drag like that, and disgusted by her misuse of our effort, but I would not tell anyone she shouldn't even pick up a protest sign against illegal immigration.
I chastise her, I call her a liar, fraud, dishonest, manipulative, deceitful conniving megalomaniac, but no way would I discourage her from protesting these invading, self-interested, racist, underground, cheating, job theiving illegals and their supporters!

[Rim05]

I think Naui makes me want to vomit more than at least a dozen others. Everytime he approached me, my answer was "Get lost". There was nothing more for him to say.
The same with Cliff May, a total roach as you call them.

[Cole Younger]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

No way am I going to say or do anything that looks supportive of Naui. That guy is rodent droppings. Jeff may be a jackass, a fool, a loud foul-mouthed snarling careless dolt, but I still cannot fault him over Naui, especially when that little trolling chihuahua was getting in the faces of Americans getting on their feet on the streets.
I've said this before, and I'll repeat it again.: loyal Americans come first and foremost where it concerns the battle for control of immigration laws, even those loyal Americans I don't like. I don't ever discourage any loyal american from getting on the streets protesting for our cause. Even that cockroach nightingale. My revulsion for her is known far and wide, but I have never said she or schwilk should stop protesting or rallying in the immigration arena. In fact, most of my criticism leveled at her during her campaign and before it had to do with her sidetracking or trying redirect the effort towards her own self-aggrandizing schemes. But no way would I tell them they shouldn't be getting on the streets with a protest sign in our favor.
Yes, she makes me nearly vomit when I see her prancing on a stage all made up like a 12 year old who broke in to her mom's cosmetic cabinet, but she doesn't do that for our cause. Did you ever seen her dress that way for SOS functions? I may be revolted by the site of her in drag like that, and disgusted by her misuse of our effort, but I would not tell anyone she shouldn't even pick up a protest sign against illegal immigration.
I chastise her, I call her a liar, fraud, dishonest, manipulative, deceitful conniving megalomaniac, but no way would I discourage her from protesting these invading, self-interested, racist, underground, cheating, job theiving illegals and their supporters!

I call her a liar, fraud, dishonest, manipulative, deceitful conniving megalomaniac

Jeez Davi, lets not beat around the bush

My point is, he lost his cool and that is ammunition that can easily be used against the movement as I so delicately demonstrated. I understand why he lost his cool.... he does not know how to lead nor does he understand the issue, when presented with a little pressure..Everyone know Naui is a joke..

There are allot of examples on the internet of people losing there cool or being out witted by people like Naui. You don't like Naui because he makes the movement look bad. When he does so, he wins.

Public perception is what matters if you want to win this war. The problem with most street protest are they are ineffective because they are not being used tactically. When you invite counter protests all eyes are on you...don't become media fodder or a recruitment tool for the opposition. When people get too emotional and fail to use the grey matter between your ears, they lose...The opposition knows this and will always use it to their advantage. Instead of calling Naui names, barking out pyscho orders, he should have taken the time to calmly explain the protest, the purpose, and its goals. Discuss fiscal problem and how it affects every tax payer..

This Shwick idiot gave Naui, the bullets, and the gun. He might as well have thrown up a surrender flag and left...but he obviously is to ignorant to understand that he lost.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Cole Younger

Jeez Davi, lets not beat around the bush

My point is, he lost his cool and that is ammunition that can easily be used against the movement as I so delicately demonstrated. I understand why he lost his cool.... he does not know how to lead nor does he understand the issue, when presented with a little pressure..Everyone know Naui is a joke..

There are allot of examples on the internet of people losing there cool or being out witted by people like Naui. You don't like Naui because he makes the movement look bad. When he does so, he wins.

Public perception is what matters if you want to win this war. The problem with most street protest are they are ineffective because they are not being used tactically. When you invite counter protests all eyes are on you...don't become media fodder or a recruitment tool for the opposition. When people get too emotional and fail to use the grey matter between your ears, they lose...The opposition knows this and will always use it to their advantage. Instead of calling Naui names, barking out pyscho orders, he should have taken the time to calmly explain the protest, the purpose, and its goals. Discuss fiscal problem and how it affects every tax payer..

This Shwick idiot gave Naui, the bullets, and the gun. He might as well have thrown up a surrender flag and left...but he obviously is to ignorant to understand that he lost.

Ahhh.....yes and no.

In a perfect world we'd like everyone on our side to be calm, cool, articulate, intelligent, reserved and probably even a little forgiving. But we live in the real world, and we have schwilk. It is my personal opinion that we are not going to sway the government on this immigration scheme by gentle persuasion, pleading, or even elections. They not going to move in our favor until they are faced with interruption of their daily routines, powerful backlash during 50% of their meetings, and revolt at the tax office. I don't know how old you are, but if I may summon up the memory of the 60's and 70's Vietnam war protests. They were happening on street corners, at concerts, state houses, and SCHOOLS for christs sakes. Even all that was slow to spur the change, but it was compelling. Calmly reasoning with a little chuckee-esque troll like Naui as he buzzes your head threateningly is not going to impress the government. They'd look at a video of that and say, "look! They're starting to get along!"
in contrast, I say we need groups of bold citizens standing on those streetcorners and day labor centers who are fed up and not going to take sh!t from foreign invaders or corrupt government actors. So no; I'm not going to tell the schwilks to stay home. He's still on his feet at least, while the calm, supposedly intellectual Joe Turner is where? MIA...

[Cole Younger]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

Ahhh.....yes and no.

In a perfect world we'd like everyone on our side to be calm, cool, articulate, intelligent, reserved and probably even a little forgiving. But we live in the real world, and we have schwilk. It is my personal opinion that we are not going to sway the government on this immigration scheme by gentle persuasion, pleading, or even elections. They not going to move in our favor until they are faced with interruption of their daily routines, powerful backlash during 50% of their meetings, and revolt at the tax office. I don't know how old you are, but if I may summon up the memory of the 60's and 70's Vietnam war protests. They were happening on street corners, at concerts, state houses, and SCHOOLS for christs sakes. Even all that was slow to spur the change, but it was compelling. Calmly reasoning with a little chuckee-esque troll like Naui as he buzzes your head threateningly is not going to impress the government. They'd look at a video of that and say, "look! They're starting to get along!"
in contrast, I say we need groups of bold citizens standing on those streetcorners and day labor centers who are fed up and not going to take sh!t from foreign invaders or corrupt government actors. So no; I'm not going to tell the schwilks to stay home. He's still on his feet at least, while the calm, supposedly intellectual Joe Turner is where? MIA...

Davi, Vietnam was different and I was around (albeit young) during that period. Vietnam affected everyone at the time on a personal level. The unloading of body bags from aircraft was on every major news network. The draft was in affect. People knew people that were killed or wounded. POW's were making news stories as well. It was the media that influenced public opinion to a point where young college kids felt the need to do something thus the peace movement and the protests were born. This is not the case with illegal immigration.

In a perfect world we'd like everyone on our side to be calm, cool, articulate, intelligent, reserved and probably even a little forgiving.

I agree this is not a perfect world but regardless of imperfections, a leader has to stay calm, intelligent, and reserved. That is leadership 101. A leader cannot panic under fire or things will quickly become unraveled.

Naui tactics are so incredibly obvious, only a fool would fall for them.

Davi, you lead by example. If a leader loses there composure or demonstrate incompetence under pressure, how do you expect your followers to act? Piss poor leadership and wrong decision making gets people hurt. Does the leadership of this movement want martyr's?

Every individual, including leadership, should be well versed and have talking points at these rallies and those talking points should be rehearsed. If you stay on message, you will be affective...but this takes real leadership something this movement is sorely missing. I for one will not follow a fool.

[Ayatollahgondola]

OK, I see the problem that's causing our differences. I do not consider Jeff Schwilk a leader per se. I'm glad he stands up for our causes, but that doesn't mean I think he sets the standard(s) for our movement.

I don't wish to debate the comparison between the Vietnam war and immigration, as it isn't the real subject anyway

[Cole Younger]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

OK, I see the problem that's causing our differences. I do not consider Jeff Schwilk a leader per se. I'm glad he stands up for our causes, but that doesn't mean I think he sets the standard(s) for our movement.

I don't wish to debate the comparison between the Vietnam war and immigration, as it isn't the real subject anyway

I do not consider Jeff Schwilk a leader

Nor should anyone.

There is a genome missing in the followers of this movement. The genome missing is the inability of the followers to question or challenge the people who are self appointed leaders....The fear of being labeled this or that or.....be kicked out of the movement entirely is so great that it has muted common sense....

The followers are so blind to this it is beyond funny as the self appointed leaders have to use divide and conquer tactics to stay in a leadership roles. It should be the responsibility of everyone in this movement, if they truly care about it, to question the leadership. This is not a military operations all though the way these idiots act, they think it is.

This is a political / public relations / awareness campaign and until that is understood, the movement will lose. That leads me to my next questions / thoughts...

Gilcrest wants to put 200 former Marines on the border? You have to ask...for what purpose? If...you plan on doing border operations (observe and report), wouldn't it be much wiser from a political / public relations standpoint to put retired people and other volunteers on the border? I have to ask, why former Marines?

I don't see the political or public relations benefit of this tactic. Marines, former or otherwise (and I am a former Marine), make terrible observe and report personal. Unless Gilcrest is expecting a fire fight, anyone should be able to volunteer for his next project. A decent hunter / outdoors man can easily move into remote areas to observe and report.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Cole Younger

Nor should anyone.

There is a genome missing in the followers of this movement. The genome missing is the inability of the followers to question or challenge the people who are self appointed leaders....The fear of being labeled this or that or.....be kicked out of the movement entirely is so great that it has muted common sense....

The followers are so blind to this it is beyond funny as the self appointed leaders have to use divide and conquer tactics to stay in a leadership roles. It should be the responsibility of everyone in this movement, if they truly care about it, to question the leadership. This is not a military operations all though the way these idiots act, they think it is.

This is a political / public relations / awareness campaign and until that is understood, the movement will lose. That leads me to my next questions / thoughts...

Gilcrest wants to put 200 former Marines on the border? You have to ask...for what purpose? If...you plan on doing border operations (observe and report), wouldn't it be much wiser from a political / public relations standpoint to put retired people and other volunteers on the border? I have to ask, why former Marines?

I don't see the political or public relations benefit of this tactic. Marines, former or otherwise (and I am a former Marine), make terrible observe and report personal. Unless Gilcrest is expecting a fire fight, anyone should be able to volunteer for his next project. A decent hunter / outdoors man can easily move into remote areas to observe and report.

Well, if you please; I'd rather the Gilchrist question be brought up in the radio show thread, or starting one up in a different section of the forum.

And I share most of your views on the leadership issue. But that's why those of us who are still here, are still here.