Activism: How to measure it?

[Twoller]

Legal and illegal immigration are connected. For example, when we hear about some business being prosecuted for hiring illegal immigrants, you have to ask yourself, "How are these illegal immigrants hired and managed?" There must be somebody there in the business, maybe even the owner, who speaks the language of the illegals they are hiring. Either the employer is a legal immigrant, or in all probability, an anchor baby themselves.

Yes, we need to have a moratorium on immigration. But not only that, we need to start cracking down on citizens too. If you are a citizen claiming citizenship because you are an anchor baby, and you are hiring illegals, then you need to be deported. Of course this should follow from putting the legal claims of citizenship made by anchor babies into question and in prosecutions like this, this is a natural place to start throwing them out. Of course, anyone who does not claim citizenship who is hiring illegals needs to be deported.

How many people in this country who falsely claim citizenship do not speak English? Because so many anchor babies have the benefits of a public education, this is where many of them learn to speak English. But it remains that many of them have no cause to speak English and so the skill fades, we hope. And of course we still have illegals from English speaking countries like Canada. If you cannot speak English, you cannot be a citizen and so we have another sound test for real candidates for testing legitimate citizenship.

We need to keep pushing and hammering away at this problem at every possible and conceivable angle. Stopping at legal immigrants is just foolish, it really shows a complete lack of grasp of the problem. I would go so far as to say that you cannot sincerely be opposed to illegal immigration if you do not support confronting legal immigration and even some who claim citizenship. The problem really is that bad and illegal immigration is really just the natural consequence of a failed and profligate immigration practice. It is a "practice", one could hardly call it a "policy", certainly not a government policy.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Twoller

Legal and illegal immigration are connected. For example, when we hear about some business being prosecuted for hiring illegal immigrants, you have to ask yourself, "How are these illegal immigrants hired and managed?" There must be somebody there in the business, maybe even the owner, who speaks the language of the illegals they are hiring. Either the employer is a legal immigrant, or in all probability, an anchor baby themselves.

Yes, we need to have a moratorium on immigration. But not only that, we need to start cracking down on citizens too. If you are a citizen claiming citizenship because you are an anchor baby, and you are hiring illegals, then you need to be deported. Of course this should follow from putting the legal claims of citizenship made by anchor babies into question and in prosecutions like this, this is a natural place to start throwing them out. Of course, anyone who does not claim citizenship who is hiring illegals needs to be deported.

How many people in this country who falsely claim citizenship do not speak English? Because so many anchor babies have the benefits of a public education, this is where many of them learn to speak English. But it remains that many of them have no cause to speak English and so the skill fades, we hope. And of course we still have illegals from English speaking countries like Canada. If you cannot speak English, you cannot be a citizen and so we have another sound test for real candidates for testing legitimate citizenship.

We need to keep pushing and hammering away at this problem at every possible and conceivable angle. Stopping at legal immigrants is just foolish, it really shows a complete lack of grasp of the problem. I would go so far as to say that you cannot sincerely be opposed to illegal immigration if you do not support confronting legal immigration and even some who claim citizenship. The problem really is that bad and illegal immigration is really just the natural consequence of a failed and profligate immigration practice. It is a "practice", one could hardly call it a "policy", certainly not a government policy.

I personally know of two business owners who are from Israel and Lebanon and they both hire Hispanics. I don't know if the Hispanics are legal or not. But my point here is that both business owners learned Spanish and while at work converse with their employees in Spanish. Just about everyone, including the immigrants cater to the Hispanic/Latinos when it comes to their not having to speak English. We're so inundated with Spanish speakers that they don't feel the need to learn English, and so many accept that opinion.

[DerailAmnesty.com]

Being the world's most desired immigration destination is one of our nation's strengths. As an example, what fueled much of the PC and dot.com boom(s) was our ability to draw the best engineers from India to Seattle and the Silicon Valley. Our capitalist system that allows for accumulation of wealth, our standard of living and reputation for adherence to civil liberties, allows us to "raid" other countries of their best and brightest. Contributions from people who graduated from engineering colleges with academic standards that make MIT and Cal Tech look like JC's in comparison, built businesses and created wealth that resulted in employment and money for thousands of U.S. citizens.

The problem is not that we are accepting immigrants. The problem is that we are largely accepting the wrong immigrants. We need more poorly educated peasants with a penchant for cranking out babies and screaming about their victimization by "racists" like Michael Jackson and Karen Carpenter needed Jenny Craig.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by DerailAmnesty.com

Being the world's most desired immigration destination is one of our nation's strengths. As an example, what fueled much of the PC and dot.com boom(s) was our ability to draw the best engineers from India to Seattle and the Silicon Valley. Our capitalist system that allows for accumulation of wealth, our standard of living and reputation for adherence to civil liberties, allows us to "raid" other countries of their best and brightest. Contributions from people who graduated from engineering colleges with academic standards that make MIT and Cal Tech look like JC's in comparison, built businesses and created wealth that resulted in employment and money for thousands of U.S. citizens.

The problem is not that we are accepting immigrants. The problem is that we are largely accepting the wrong immigrants. We need more poorly educated peasants with a penchant for cranking out babies and screaming about their victimization by "racists" like Michael Jackson and Karen Carpenter needed Jenny Craig.

It is an absurd myth that immigration had anything whatsoever to do with any of the high tech institutions and industries in any of the industrialized countries. All you have to do is look at the level of high tech industries that exist in the countries that these high tech immigrants come from. Nothing that any of these so-called contributors have done in the high tech industries came out of the countries they came from. And if they really have made any contributions, then why haven't they made similar contributions in their countries of origin. They can't claim any accomplishments performed outside of this country. They are the high tech equivilant of leaf blower monkeys who come here legally, take up space, puke up babies and blow crap all over the place.

There is no contribution that any immigrant can claim that was made as a result of some license that a US citizen granted to these people to get something done. And meanwhile, these same US citizens crap all over their fellow citizens and steal their creative works to give to these same parasites they ship in from places like India and other countries too.

We didn't need them, we don't need them and we need to quit repeating the fairy tale that they have done anything that couldn't have been done -- and should have been done -- by people already here.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Twoller

It is an absurd myth that immigration had anything whatsoever to do with any of the high tech institutions and industries in any of the industrialized countries. All you have to do is look at the level of high tech industries that exist in the countries that these high tech immigrants come from. Nothing that any of these so-called contributors have done in the high tech industries came out of the countries they came from. And if they really have made any contributions, then why haven't they made similar contributions in their countries of origin. They can't claim any accomplishments performed outside of this country. They are the high tech equivilant of leaf blower monkeys who come here legally, take up space, puke up babies and blow crap all over the place.

There is no contribution that any immigrant can claim that was made as a result of some license that a US citizen granted to these people to get something done. And meanwhile, these same US citizens crap all over their fellow citizens and steal their creative works to give to these same parasites they ship in from places like India and other countries too.

We didn't need them, we don't need them and we need to quit repeating the fairy tale that they have done anything that couldn't have been done -- and should have been done -- by people already here.

This is one of the negative issues that accompanies our current immigration woes. There are many good immigrants from countries like India, but the US imports so many period, that they become overshadowed and infected by the distaste that is quite obviously growing within the American citizen and American worker class. I think we would not be exhibiting the level of hostility towards people from other countries had we not been led down this path by current levels of immigration and certainly illegal immigration. It is the system that is causing the backlash, and not the individuals who oppose it. But we need to struggle to keep the right villains in the crosshairs of our fight, because as we can see, the architects of the scheme have been somewhat successful at directing our anger at other countries and their emigres

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

This is one of the negative issues that accompanies our current immigration woes. There are many good immigrants from countries like India, but the US imports so many period, that they become overshadowed and infected by the distaste that is quite obviously growing within the American citizen and American worker class. I think we would not be exhibiting the level of hostility towards people from other countries had we not been led down this path by current levels of immigration and certainly illegal immigration. It is the system that is causing the backlash, and not the individuals who oppose it. But we need to struggle to keep the right villains in the crosshairs of our fight, because as we can see, the architects of the scheme have been somewhat successful at directing our anger at other countries and their emigres

I think you are missing my point about the "high tech" immigrants. Part of the corruption of our immigration system are the so-called "good" legal immigrants that are said to have been necessary for development in the high tech industries. There are no such "good" immigrants. They have merely taken up space and squatted on the opportunities of people who were already here before they got here. And, by the way, how did they get here? They didn't get here because of any achievements. What were they doing here? What kind of program got them here at all?

We didn't need them. We don't need them and as a basic issue confronting the roots of illegal immigration, we need to topple the myth of the contributions of "high tech immigrants". They displaced productive US citizens in the economy as surely as any "poorly educated peasants" emptying accross the borders illegally.