Rules Input Wanted

[ilbegone]

Here is my take:



It is hard to have a discussion concerning illegal immigration without referring to race and / or nationality, and just about any word which describes the racial and / or national majority of the largest represented group illegally entering the country is so broad as to almost be meaningless.

Mexican, Latino, Hispanic, Mexican - American, and others as used today in America do not actually have a specific meaning as to race, nationality, language, culture, political belief, religion, or neighborly disposition. Those words are essentially fiction borne of lazy convenience or purposeful obfuscation. I believe that posters should be conscious of this and be clear as to whom exactly they are referring to.

The term "anchor baby" is also a description which is used and abused in an over inclusive manner.

Freedom of speech and exchange of opinions and ideas is not freedom to defame or attack, regardless of the target.

Honest discussion of race is one thing, and while there is no control as to how outside observers may interpret or spin the intent of discussion, the genuine expression of racism is another.

Political correctness should not be an aim, for it stifles honesty in society, but lying, attacking, defamation, slander, and libel discredits the cause as well as other negative consequences. We have nothing without credibility, and even then it is and will be an uphill battle.

There can be quite a difference between honest belief and proven fact, but the less fudging of facts the more credibility we will have. Admitting newly discovered fact which is contrary to previous personal belief hurts no one.

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I believe that it should be made clear beyond a doubt that "members" are people who have registered with the board to post messages, beliefs, ideas, and to engage in discussion, and

that no one is a member who's individual words or personal activities or outside association, legal or not nor within or without generally defined personal or societal morality, defines or

describes anyone else on the board either as an individual or as a group, nor does the conduct of that person or persons define the role or social aim of Save Our State in larger society,

nor is Save Our State responsible for the activities of any signatory posting member which is ultimately personal choice and ultimately independent of Save our State control.

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Ultimately, and which has been proven by common past practice, a "member" can be of any persuasion, pro, con, indifferent, or purposefully disruptive, and being a "member" is essentially meaningless to define an organization by the "member" or the "member" by the organization.

There needs to be a clear understanding that any attempt to hijack Save Our State for another purpose than for which it was founded will not be tolerated, and that includes but is not limited to personal gain of any kind, or subordination to a racist organization or any other personal or group agenda of any sort, as well as any other diversion from Save Our State's founding purpose.

It must be made clear from the beginning that agendas including but not limited to white supremacy, white separatism, anti Semitism, religion preference or religion suppression, genuine racism of any sort, advocacy of violence beyond self defense in real time unprovoked attack, or any other genuinely anti social behavior is not a part of the goals, activities, agenda, or social aim of Save Our State nor will it be tolerated.

[Rim05]

Mexican, Latino, Hispanic, Mexican - American, and others as used today in America do not actually have a specific meaning as to race, nationality, language, culture, political belief, religion, or neighborly disposition

Those names above I cannot separate. One persons claims one thing and another claims to be his/her favorite name. I am sure I have misnamed some in my posting but when it comes to Hispanic or Latino just how do you make a difference when posting?

[ilbegone]

I had a post put together, then lost it.

I don't have a lot of time or patience at the moment to redo it (tired, cranky, have a chore), will pontificate on the subject another time.

It's basically a "for what it's worth".

[Jeanfromfillmore]

A suggestion, always copy a long post and keep it until you're sure your post is successful. I know that sounds like something we all should know and probably do, but I try to remember to do it when I'm writing a long post. If you lose the post and forgot to copy it, try right clicking and push the go back. Then copy it and re-log in and paste it to the post. But you probably already know that. Just thought I'd remark on what I do. After losing a few long posts by being logged out, I realized that going back by right clicking I could save what I'd written.

[PochoPatriot]

I am looking for a place were people can disagree without being called "unpatriotic" or "liberal". That is fascism and I won't participate in that any more. We are all different people with differing world views, and we need to respect that, especially when we are dealing with people who have actually been out in the street taking the fight to the enemy, and not safely ensconced behind a keyboard and computer screen.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by PochoPatriot

I am looking for a place were people can disagree without being called "unpatriotic" or "liberal". That is fascism and I won't participate in that any more. We are all different people with differing world views, and we need to respect that, especially when we are dealing with people who have actually been out in the street taking the fight to the enemy, and not safely ensconced behind a keyboard and computer screen.

I don't think anyone will ever get away with not getting labeled somehow in discussions, but I'd like to see that none of that ever comes from management.

[PochoPatriot]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

I don't think anyone will ever get away with not getting labeled somehow in discussions, but I'd like to see that none of that ever comes from management.

I can live with that.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

I had a post put together, then lost it.

I don't have a lot of time or patience at the moment to redo it (tired, cranky, have a chore), will pontificate on the subject another time.

It's basically a "for what it's worth".

There's a way we can extend the time for posting. Right now it's set for 15 or twenty minutes of inactivity to log you out. But...usually if you sign right back in without doing anything else your post should still be remembered.

[rs232c]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

I had a post put together, then lost it.

I don't have a lot of time or patience at the moment to redo it (tired, cranky, have a chore), will pontificate on the subject another time.

It's basically a "for what it's worth".

Many times I wrote replies only to click Submit and get the message that my login timed out and have to start from scratch. So if it takes longer than a few minutes, I used a text editor first.