Arizona Leading the March Back to Sovereignty

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by usa today

If a gang of grey haired grannies are robbing banks , you profile grannies
If 12 million illegal hispanics are breaking your immigration laws , YOU PROFILE THE DAMN HISPANICS

Am I wrong?

Yes. Your simplistic answer leaves out illegals from Ireland, Haiti, China, etc. The Homeland security people, or any governmental agency is not allowed to focus on a race when applying the law.
Thankfully you're not in a position to design criteria for law enforcement, else I might be sitting in jail or along the roadside 'splainin' myself instead of conducting billboard events, protests, or rallies.

[ilbegone]

As I understand it, the only argument which could be successful against the Arizona immigration law is whether immigration enforcement is the sole domain of the Federal government, as is printing money and the like.

With all the precedent of the states cooperating with the Federal government concerning immigration, it would have to be a question of whether enforcement cooperation is merely permitted by the feds or whether the states have the self governmental right to enforce mirrored Federal law.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

As I understand it, the only argument which could be successful against the Arizona immigration law is whether immigration enforcement is the sole domain of the Federal government, as is printing money and the like.

With all the precedent of the states cooperating with the Federal government concerning immigration, it would have to be a question of whether enforcement cooperation is merely permitted by the feds or whether the states have the self governmental right to enforce mirrored Federal law.

The federal government is the only one who can enforce immigration law. What Arizona is doing is police power, which our constitution does not allow the federal government to do.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

The federal government is the only one who can enforce immigration law. What Arizona is doing is police power, which our constitution does not allow the federal government to do.

The Feds have done quite a bit of policing over the last two hundred years, whether it is constitutional or not.

In the matter of immigration law, the government has chosen not to enforce.

For example, the executive employee at ICE coming out on record that ICE won't process illegal aliens Arizona detains.

After I heard that, I made it clear to my elected representatives that if a government employee refuses to do his job, it is insubordination and that person needs to be fired.

I also made it clear that that if elected officials had no interest in seeing to it that government employees do the job they were hired to do, there was no real reason for those officials to continue with federal employment as well.

They can't keep the lid on the immigration issue much longer, and however it is resolved it's my belief that there will be quite a few formerly secure politicians unhorsed over the couple of elections over the issue.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

The Feds have done quite a bit of policing over the last two hundred years, whether it is constitutional or not.

In the matter of immigration law, the government has chosen not to enforce.

For example, the executive employee at ICE coming out on record that ICE won't process illegal aliens Arizona detains.

After I heard that, I made it clear to my elected representatives that if a government employee refuses to do his job, it is insubordination and that person needs to be fired.

I also made it clear that that if elected officials had no interest in seeing to it that government employees do the job they were hired to do, there was no real reason for those officials to continue with federal employment as well.

They can't keep the lid on the immigration issue much longer, and however it is resolved it's my belief that there will be quite a few formerly secure politicians unhorsed over the couple of elections over the issue.

I agree with you 100%, but what I was pointing out is that the state of Arizona is well within the Constitution with what they are doing. Only states can use "Police Power" that is why there is no "Government Police". The government is allowed to investigate then take it to the states to police or courts to enforce. This is not what our government is doing, and we all know it. But the left is crying that what Arizona is doing is unconstitutional.

It will be interesting to see what happens in court.

[usa today]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

I agree with you 100%, but what I was pointing out is that the state of Arizona is well within the Constitution with what they are doing. Only states can use "Police Power" that is why there is no "Government Police". The government is allowed to investigate then take it to the states to police or courts to enforce. This is not what our government is doing, and we all know it. But the left is crying that what Arizona is doing is unconstitutional.

It will be interesting to see what happens in court.

Jean
It is a simple answer , It will remain ON ICE , in Limbo and unenforced , the first lib judge will render it moot until appeal

Any guesses on how many YEARS it will take this to get to the SC ?

If an appeals court (9th) doesn't strike it down first

[LAPhil]

Originally Posted by usa today

Jean
It is a simple answer , It will remain ON ICE , in Limbo and unenforced , the first lib judge will render it moot until appeal

Any guesses on how many YEARS it will take this to get to the SC ?

If an appeals court (9th) doesn't strike it down first

Even if the 9th Circus Court of Schlemiels strikes it down it can still be appealed to the Supreme Court. So the law very well could be put on ice for a while, but I think it will have a much better chance of being upheld by the Supreme Court than any of the lower courts.

[usa today]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

Yes. Your simplistic answer leaves out illegals from Ireland, Haiti, China, etc. The Homeland security people, or any governmental agency is not allowed to focus on a race when applying the law.
Thankfully you're not in a position to design criteria for law enforcement, else I might be sitting in jail or along the roadside 'splainin' myself instead of conducting billboard events, protests, or rallies.

No way could I let this go

Yes , there are illegals from all over the world , but how many of them are marching in our streets with their national flags , demanding , screaming , and speaking their home language ?

One plugs the biggest hole first

I saw an interview with Luis Gut and Jd today , Luis kept spouting about going after the employers.
Ok , and the first time an employer questions someones "fake" id they get slammed with a discrimination suit , Also it was the Dems if I recall (Bennie Thompson) and his ilk that screamed about sending out the SS no match letters. Worksite raids? Of course they work , but they are a thing of the past , at least as long as DumbBomba is in office.

I've been "profiled" "id'd" and let go when my papers were found to be in order and I had no wants or warrants.
If a hispanic , asian , martian or someone from lower Slobovia has legal Id then whats the problem with being ask? Asking for Id is in no way close to what happened in Nazi Germany , heck , its not even close to what they do in mexico

No my friend , Do not chastise me for rendering the simple solution , the simple answer.
Get rid of a few million by letting them know the jig is up , the rest will follow