The Taxpayer Sanctuary Act

[ilbegone]

I like the idea.

There's some possible offshoot thoughts too.

Since Obama has taken to legislating by fiat through executive orders - bypassing congress in the process concerning myriad issues (illegal migration being just one) - we are being taxed without representation.

The further consideration is that the IRS is a corrupt, rogue agency which abuses the taxpayer, some taxpayers more than others in a bid to silence political dissension concerning the president's ideological agendas.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

I like the idea.

There's some possible offshoot thoughts too.

Since Obama has taken to legislating by fiat through executive orders - bypassing congress in the process concerning myriad issues (illegal migration being just one) - we are being taxed without representation.

The further consideration is that the IRS is a corrupt, rogue agency which abuses the taxpayer, some taxpayers more than others in a bid to silence political dissension concerning the president's ideological agendas.

I had thoughts about including other issues as reasons for asking people to vote for this, and it is still a consideration to draw more people in, but I didn't know where to stop. Obviously anti-war people might like to make a statement about all the wars, and anti-tax people would like to make a statement about taxes in general, but would that end up polluting the main issue, or even driving away some people who don't want to be associated with them. If it gets into some areas, maybe voters start equating it with the occupy crowd, or the sovereign citizens. At this point, I thought I'd just stick to the immigration point, and hope people that felt strongly about sending a message to their federal government about other issues would vote for this just to see if flexing the muscle would work at all
As it is, it runs a risk of saying this is anti-tax already. What saves us from that is that it ONLY applies to federal income taxes, and is just a non-cooperation statement for a period of time

[wetibbe]

Sedition where I come from.

Novel idea but----

I applaud the sentiment and effort.

Unfortunately we have a government that is so fundamentally crooked, corrupt and dishonest that no matter what they will retaliate. *( Free speech ??? What free speech ).

I have seen various Towns in many places pass legislation only to be viciously attacked by the ACLU and numerous private spoilers, PRLDEF, and many more, hauled into court and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for years only to lose. Spend not only for attorneys fees but also have to reimburse the opponents court costs.

The even more sad part around here is that Judges are equally flaming liberal progressives and also corrupt. Further ICE has been sued for apprehending illegal aliens and LOST. *( Actually the insurance company folded and paid off to avoid protracted litigation. Even law students in Yale joined in the fracas and defended the illegals pro bono ) !!!


It's indeed frustrating and many opponents have just given up.

For myself I work on my representatives constantly, local assemblymen, State Senators and Congress *( House & Senate ) Sheriffs, DOD, DHS. I can't even count the letters written over the past 15 years. They want to hear from the constituents. I do get replies and results, some time's quite impressive too.

[Twoller]

The only way to confront illegal immigration is to confront illegal immigration.

You really have to ask yourself to what extent do the people who have the most to gain from such effort really care about the same issue? Are tax protesters really against illegal immigration or do they support open borders as well?

We've seen similar efforts and explanations. Recall that some people say that "self deportation" is the answer. Get rid of the jobs and the welfare and illegals will just go away by themselves. Perhaps these same folks don't want the federal government to be doing anything, even policing our borders and they certainly don't want to pay for it either with taxes.

There is really only one solution: Hunt them down and throw them out.

The answer to the sanctuary cities is, like the amnesty notion, to offer a more pointed alternative to sanctuary. Any time we throw out an illegal immigrant without prosecuting them for criminal entry, that is amnesty. Any place we provide for illegals on their way out of the country when we provide amnesty, that is sanctuary.

The English language is taking a real beating anyway, it will not suffer this temporary indignity.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Twoller

The only way to confront illegal immigration is to confront illegal immigration.

You really have to ask yourself to what extent do the people who have the most to gain from such effort really care about the same issue? Are tax protesters really against illegal immigration or do they support open borders as well?

We've seen similar efforts and explanations. Recall that some people say that "self deportation" is the answer. Get rid of the jobs and the welfare and illegals will just go away by themselves. Perhaps these same folks don't want the federal government to be doing anything, even policing our borders and they certainly don't want to pay for it either with taxes.

There is really only one solution: Hunt them down and throw them out.

The answer to the sanctuary cities is, like the amnesty notion, to offer a more pointed alternative to sanctuary. Any time we throw out an illegal immigrant without prosecuting them for criminal entry, that is amnesty. Any place we provide for illegals on their way out of the country when we provide amnesty, that is sanctuary.

The English language is taking a real beating anyway, it will not suffer this temporary indignity.

You're missing the point concerning the message. There are small governments who declare themselves to be sanctuary entities for those who defy our federal immigration law, how about in return an equal show of concern for citizens with whom the federal Internal Revenue Service might feel they have a beef. Sort of along the idea of state's rights or local control. It might be more symbolic than practical, since while the feds don't much concern themselves with illegality of presence, they definitely are going to defend revenue flow. Loan sharks are purveyors of good will compared to the IRS.

And, among those who advocate any sort of control concerning illegal immigration, few to none espouse the idea of crucifying the enablers of illegal immigration - those who employ illegal labor. 99% of those employers know exactly who and what they hire. The blather that they don't know is bullshit spin.

Again, if it did come down to hunting "them" down and throwing "them" out, that's fine, so long as it isn't predicated on race and presumption.

[Greg in LA]

Hi Ayatollah,

Sorry it's taken so long to reply,
I've been busy at work the last week.

I love the idea!
It's exactly the point many have been making for a long while now, the point being, that if immigration laws are purposely not being enforced, then there are a whole host of other laws that shouldn't be enforced... Including Federal tax laws!

The next time I hear anybody advocating the non enforcement of immigration laws, I'm going to up the ante and tell them that if "if you don't want immigration laws enforced, than I don't want tax laws enforced"!

In fact I also don't want Obama care laws enforced!

Welcome to the world of lawlessness!

Correction, Welcome to the world of selective lawlessness!

[Patriotic Army Mom]

You are a genius. Great.