Plain Talk from Common Man

[Don]

Originally Posted by Twoller

A small point, but there were no targeting mechanisms in the Nazi missile and drone program against the English. They were applied strictly as terror weapons. They had generalized targets they hoped they might reach, but the science of targeting ballistic missiles was not well developed enough to include any on board targeting mechanisms.

The Qassam missiles launched from Gaza into the rest of Israel is a similar program. They are crude, home built and have no tactical value whatsoever.

I guess you can always find a justification to slaughter civilians in the name of "Democracy" and "freedom"...as long as the civilians are not Hispanics (the new chosen race) and so long as they're not actually coming across our borders and occupying our cities.

You really should study some history of WW2. Allied bombing was notoriously inaccurate and missed as often as it hit intended targets. Moreover, British strategic bombing strategy was based on targeting civilian populations on the theory that it would cripple the war effort and create chaos. Also, the City of Dresden had nothing to do with the German missiles and rockets. The firebombing of Dresden was pure terrorism and mass murder. The city had no strategic value and was full of refugees from the Eastern Front. It was pure mass murder by the British (Riff) RAF, much like the US atomic bombing of Japanese cities which was done in the spirit of a science experiment because our great scientists were curious about the effects of an atomic bomb on a real city.

If you support mass murder, go for it. Just don't try to cover your pathetic tracks with bull.s*h"t rationalizations about the evil Japs and Germans, whose countries were totally defeated by 1945. In 1945 we were not being invaded by Japs or Germans.

Today, we are being invaded by Mexicans and other third world primitives, which is why I support the mass killing of them while I am opposed to the mass killing of Iraqis and Iranians who never did anything to us and are not invading us. We have something called the Department of Defense and I want it to defend our country against foreign invasion.

Here's a link to a story about an illegal alien who killed himself out of despair because of the failure of the Dream Act. He had the right idea.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...yred-himself-/

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Don

I guess you can always find a justification to slaughter civilians in the name of "Democracy" and "freedom"...as long as the civilians are not Hispanics (the new chosen race) and so long as they're not actually coming across our borders and occupying our cities.

You really should study some history of WW2. Allied bombing was notoriously inaccurate and missed as often as it hit intended targets. Moreover, British strategic bombing strategy was based on targeting civilian populations on the theory that it would cripple the war effort and create chaos. Also, the City of Dresden had nothing to do with the German missiles and rockets. The firebombing of Dresden was pure terrorism and mass murder. The city had no strategic value and was full of refugees from the Eastern Front. It was pure mass murder by the British (Riff) RAF, much like the US atomic bombing of Japanese cities which was done in the spirit of a science experiment because our great scientists were curious about the effects of an atomic bomb on a real city.

If you support mass murder, go for it. Just don't try to cover your pathetic tracks with bull.s*h"t rationalizations about the evil Japs and Germans, whose countries were totally defeated by 1945. In 1945 we were not being invaded by Japs or Germans.

Today, we are being invaded by Mexicans and other third world primitives, which is why I support the mass killing of them while I am opposed to the mass killing of Iraqis and Iranians who never did anything to us and are not invading us. We have something called the Department of Defense and I want it to defend our country against foreign invasion.

Here's a link to a story about an illegal alien who killed himself out of despair because of the failure of the Dream Act. He had the right idea.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...yred-himself-/

Fer christ sakes Don. No one is disputing the threat from invading illegals. You make it sound as if we support that. As far as I'm concerned, both the illegals and the mexican government are the enemy. But Germany was too. Neither of us were in a command position during the planning of battle strategies during WWII. But there seems ample evidence that both Hitler's Germany, and hirohito's Japan meant to hurt the US, and I highly doubt either one of them ruled out an invasion of the US mainland. Japan did attack the US Mainland you know. They also used some mindless bombs to that end. I'm not going to argue over that which I cannot prove, but I think it's safe to say that the atomic weapons used were highly accurate. Whether they were used with another motive aside from ending the Japanese resistance, I cannot say. But it worked bacause they surrendered immediately after the second one detonated
The mexicans are an invasionary force too, but they are being encouraged and welcomed by unions directly within our borders. So it's just a bit different. We're fighting a civil war, but only in principle. If I had my way the US would be sending telegrams to mexico to remove 10 million or so of their people, and that we would begin defending our southern and western borders on a certain date, and defined time...by force

[Rim05]

I hadn't heard that she was ID'd as Latina...Where'd you read or hear that?

Most of my news lately has been the TV. I can not give you a newspaper because some of the time I do not open then (I take 2).
Her picture has been on TV many times. I would think if you google the incident in Porter Ranch you will find it. They even give a physical discription ............5'3 or 5'4, about 140 lbs and 35 to 40 years old.
Some one else in So CA must have seen the coverage. Oh, just in case you google it, it occured at a Walmart.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Police initially described the 140-pound, unidentified Hispanic woman as a "competitive shopper" who may have bought the Microsoft Xbox before fleeing the store.

I see it now.
I don't see what this law enforcement agency is waiting for. She obviously used it for a competitive edge.

[wetibbe]

Advocating the shooting of civilians en masse ?

Adolph Hitler tried that. Gas chambers !

Joseph Stalin did it, in the millions.

Chinese did it.

The My Lai Massacre (Vietnamese: thảm sát Mỹ Lai [tʰɐ̃ːm ʂɐ̌ːt mǐˀ lɐːj], [mǐˀlɐːj] ( listen); English pronunciation: /ˌmiːˈlaɪ/, also /ˌmiːˈleɪ, ˌmaɪˈlaɪ/)[1] was the Vietnam War mass murder of 347–504 unarmed civilians in South Vietnam on March 16, 1968, by United States Army soldiers of "Charlie" Company of 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the Americal Division. Most of the victims were women, children (including babies), and elderly people. Many were raped, beaten, and tortured, and some of the bodies were later found to be mutilated.[2] While 26 US soldiers were initially charged with criminal offenses for their actions at Mỹ Lai, only Second Lieutenant William Calley, a platoon leader in Charlie Company, was convicted. Found guilty of killing 22 villagers, he was originally given a life sentence, but only served three and a half years under house arrest.

Overview

Determining how many people died in these massacres overall is difficult. In the book The Wild Frontier: Atrocities during the American-Indian War from Jamestown Colony to Wounded Knee, amateur historian William M. Osborn sought to tally every recorded atrocity in the area that would eventually become the continental United States, from first contact (1511) to the closing of the frontier (1890), and determined that 7,193 people died from atrocities perpetrated by whites, and 9,156 people died from atrocities perpetrated by Native Americans. Osborn defines an atrocity as the murder, torture, or mutilation of civilians, the wounded, and prisoners. Different definitions would obviously produce different totals.[1]

List of massacres

This is a listing of some of the events reported then or referred to now as "Indian massacres":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_massacre

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Well, that's one way of securing the border. But it takes two to Tango so we may just as well start a second Civil War and really clean house. Get rig of all the supporters, aiders, abettors and drug purchasers. *( And lock up all political opposition ).

Of course there won't be much left of the country but the buzzards should florish !

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

Advocating the shooting of civilians en masse ?

Adolph Hitler tried that. Gas chambers !

Joseph Stalin did it, in the millions.

Chinese did it.

The My Lai Massacre (Vietnamese: thảm sát Mỹ Lai [tʰɐ̃ːm ʂɐ̌ːt mǐˀ lɐːj], [mǐˀlɐːj] ( listen); English pronunciation: /ˌmiːˈlaɪ/, also /ˌmiːˈleɪ, ˌmaɪˈlaɪ/)[1] was the Vietnam War mass murder of 347–504 unarmed civilians in South Vietnam on March 16, 1968, by United States Army soldiers of "Charlie" Company of 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the Americal Division. Most of the victims were women, children (including babies), and elderly people. Many were raped, beaten, and tortured, and some of the bodies were later found to be mutilated.[2] While 26 US soldiers were initially charged with criminal offenses for their actions at Mỹ Lai, only Second Lieutenant William Calley, a platoon leader in Charlie Company, was convicted. Found guilty of killing 22 villagers, he was originally given a life sentence, but only served three and a half years under house arrest.

Overview

Determining how many people died in these massacres overall is difficult. In the book The Wild Frontier: Atrocities during the American-Indian War from Jamestown Colony to Wounded Knee, amateur historian William M. Osborn sought to tally every recorded atrocity in the area that would eventually become the continental United States, from first contact (1511) to the closing of the frontier (1890), and determined that 7,193 people died from atrocities perpetrated by whites, and 9,156 people died from atrocities perpetrated by Native Americans. Osborn defines an atrocity as the murder, torture, or mutilation of civilians, the wounded, and prisoners. Different definitions would obviously produce different totals.[1]

List of massacres

This is a listing of some of the events reported then or referred to now as "Indian massacres":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_massacre

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Well, that's one way of securing the border. But it takes two to Tango so we may just as well start a second Civil War and really clean house. Get rig of all the supporters, aiders, abettors and drug purchasers. *( And lock up all political opposition ).

Of course there won't be much left of the country but the buzzards should florish !

The way I interpreted Don's post was that he made comparison and reference to that which the US was doing in wars past and present, and that we should direct the same effort towards the invading mexicans. So if we were doing it in afghanistan, or had done it in Germany or Japan, and you think that is/was not massacre, then it should not be for those invading our southern flank. That's what I read into his post, however he can defend it himself..or herself....

[Ayatollahgondola]

I should also point out that the government's of the world often associate massacres with only a single or few perpetrators so as to shed any liability that might indict the whole. the gas chambers are all Hitler's fault, as was Lt. calley, pol pot, Stalin, etc. But one person could not have carried out such atrocities without the willing hands of accomplices, even those acting under orders. Yet, our government, along with many others, still convict soldiers for not following unconscienable orders, because...well...orders are orders. So we have a fundemental problem. No described procedure for ascertaining when the unconscienable should be reached