Conduct Issues At Events

[DerailAmnesty.com]

Originally Posted by LAPhil

Self-defense is fine. You do what you have to do to protect yourself. If you think Naui has "bounced back" maybe it's because he's had over a year to do it. All I'm saying is that I feel all the celebration over the pepper spraying has been inappropriate and excessive.

OK Phil, I'll take the heat off you by becoming the pariah. Now that we're having Naui confessionals ...

I'll agree with the excessive part. The endless joy his physical suffering has produced still amazes me. Naui's just uneducated and resentful. There are more unforgivable characters running around out there whom we encounter.

If people would stop voluntarily performing for his camera when he and his Left-of-Patty Hearst associates arrive, he'd have no reason to show up. We have no one to blame but ourselves for his continued presence. He arrives and people respond like a bunch of Pavlovian dogs. They can't wait to start spouting off, blocking his camera and behaving like minor league bullies. It's always the same show, too. Some bitter sounding, angry, marginally educated types trying to intimidate him and prevent him from simply shooting film in a public place.

And you know what, he accomplishes his goal. In fact, he's gotten better at it since I first encountered him in '06. Naui gives us the opportunity to look like sh-- in his videos, and that's what we do. A pack of dumb, poorly informed, angry rednecks; that's the image he wants to shoot and make public. He commonly gets what he's looking for, too. We provide him with images anyone who wants to search on the internet can find.

Look at what he just filmed and posted. A Birther spouting off some idiocy about Kenya, Indonesia and another guy, almost twice Naui's size with a stupid grin on his face, attempting to block his camera with a U.S. flag.

It's a big, royal embarrassment for us - every time.

And I'm really growing tired of it because it is entirely something over which we have control.

[Ayatollahgondola]

As mentioned before, we will set some standards of conduct that will either encourage or require associates, supporters and attendees of our events to refrain from boisterous and antagonistic behavior. It certainly wouldn't be wise to have a few people antagonizing or instigating a fight at one of our events, only to have the resulting retaliation happen at another, and to associates that may not have the ability or desire to be defensive.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by DerailAmnesty.com

OK Phil, I'll take the heat off you by becoming the pariah. Now that we're having Naui confessionals ...

I'll agree with the excessive part. The endless joy his physical suffering has produced still amazes me. Naui's just uneducated and resentful. There are more unforgivable characters running around out there whom we encounter.

If people would stop voluntarily performing for his camera when he and his Left-of-Patty Hearst associates arrive, he'd have no reason to show up. We have no one to blame but ourselves for his continued presence. He arrives and people respond like a bunch of Pavlovian dogs. They can't wait to start spouting off, blocking his camera and behaving like minor league bullies. It's always the same show, too. Some bitter sounding, angry, marginally educated types trying to intimidate him and prevent him from simply shooting film in a public place.

And you know what, he accomplishes his goal. In fact, he's gotten better at it since I first encountered him in '06. Naui gives us the opportunity to look like sh-- in his videos, and that's what we do. A pack of dumb, poorly informed, angry rednecks; that's the image he wants to shoot and make public. He commonly gets what he's looking for, too. We provide him with images anyone who wants to search on the internet can find.

Look at what he just filmed and posted. A Birther spouting off some idiocy about Kenya, Indonesia and another guy, almost twice Naui's size with a stupid grin on his face, attempting to block his camera with a U.S. flag.

It's a big, royal embarrassment for us - every time.

And I'm really growing tired of it because it is entirely something over which we have control.

No you're wrong. It is not "entirely something over which we have control." We can never totally control a situation, but we can try. Do you remember when you were arrested in Maywood? Did you have control over that situation? We can work on getting the message out and trying to control some aspects, but we will never entirely have control. There will always be some aspect, whether it is the opposition or those among us, that we will not have complete control.

And I might add that the oppositions reaction often hinges on their belief that we will not respond to them with any type of force.

I know that you were discussing the Naui video, but the subject of the pepper spray was also in response to Nauis antics. I do agree with you that the best way to handle Naui and his side kick is to completely ignore them. But we will always have newbees that will want to vent and unfortunately do it in front of Naui. He is paid to do what he does, and all they do is become actors in his little docudrama.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

No you're wrong. It is not "entirely something over which we have control." We can never totally control a situation, but we can try.

I think he meant the "we" as being the ones who did the deeds, and as such should have seen the wisdom in restraint, as opposed to "we" the collective controlling others actions.

[Ayatollahgondola]

As an aside here:

If anyone wants to contribute to all or part of a "Standards of Conduct" Section, email or PM it to me. It would be best to have a basic outline posted before we open it up to critique in a thread

[Rim05]

I realized long ago that the best way to stop Naui is to ignore him. When he used to run up to me and say "Say what do you think about"?........, my stock answer was "Get Lost". It worked like magic.
As far as enjoying his spray misery, I did not see what started it but I enjoyed every minute of it. I did use my flag to block his annoying face from view. I think that was kinder than spraying him although I don't care what happens to the little germ.

[Rim05]

Phil, I must say you are starting to sound like a 'Bleeding Heart' and that is what has brought us to where we are today. Once I actually had someone tell me not to kill a 'SNAIL'. That is the truth.

[Twoller]

I do not attend events, but every day on the street, it seems like I have somebody to contend with. What they want out of you is predictable behavior. And as long as they can get it, they will have a small and important victory. The point is not exclusively to ignore them, but to always have something new to use as a response. At no time should you become enmeshed in any kind of relationship with vermin like Naui, even a relationship where you always come out on top. For the illegal immigrant political front, enmeshment is even better than some predictable response. With enmeshment, not only have you become a predictable response, but the personality of the adversary is tatooed in your mind and the adversary knows it. You are not only predictable, but always available too, even if the adversary is not around.

This thread is perfect example. Everyone, even me, is repeating the cockroach's name, generating publicity and exciting the public's imagination. More enmeshment.

It is good to enjoy the suffering of drivel like this guy, but only if it does not lead to predictable behavior or enmeshment.

[LAPhil]

Originally Posted by Rim05

Phil, I must say you are starting to sound like a 'Bleeding Heart' and that is what has brought us to where we are today. Once I actually had someone tell me not to kill a 'SNAIL'. That is the truth.

In the interest of staying on topic I won't respond to your comments right now, but we certainly do live in different worlds.

[PochoPatriot]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

No you're wrong. It is not "entirely something over which we have control." We can never totally control a situation, but we can try. Do you remember when you were arrested in Maywood? Did you have control over that situation? We can work on getting the message out and trying to control some aspects, but we will never entirely have control. There will always be some aspect, whether it is the opposition or those among us, that we will not have complete control.

And I might add that the oppositions reaction often hinges on their belief that we will not respond to them with any type of force.

I know that you were discussing the Naui video, but the subject of the pepper spray was also in response to Nauis antics. I do agree with you that the best way to handle Naui and his side kick is to completely ignore them. But we will always have newbees that will want to vent and unfortunately do it in front of Naui. He is paid to do what he does, and all they do is become actors in his little docudrama.

I have always been of the opinion that there should be a couple of spokespersons at events that attendees can direct these vermin to. These spokespeople should have experience with these vermin, and not give them the time of day.