This Is IT! Going to Leave California ASAP!

[Twoller]

So what is Fr. Moonbeam going to do in office and what can we do to make his life a living hell when he is trying to do it?

[PochoPatriot]

Originally Posted by Twoller

So what is Fr. Moonbeam going to do in office and what can we do to make his life a living hell when he is trying to do it?

Will it matter?

[DerailAmnesty.com]

Originally Posted by Twoller

So what is Fr. Moonbeam going to do in office and what can we do to make his life a living hell when he is trying to do it?

What is he going to do?

Definitely: 1) Go along with whatever the unions want; 2) Rubber stamp the insane budgets the state legislature will produce ... that the Republicans can no longer trim b/c now only a simple maj. is required rather than 2/3; 3) Hand out financial aid to illegal alien college students

Maybe: A) Grant drivers licenses to illegal aliens; B) Spearhead drives to hand over all sorts of taxpayer funded subsidies for "green energy" projects that private industry won't touch b/c of lack of profitability.

[Twoller]

Well, the illegal alien student thing might be easier than it looks.

How exactly does one become an illegal alien college student? If your illegal parents burped you up here, you are an anchor baby and you don't have to act like you are illegal at all. So it isn't anchor babies who are looking forward to college tuition for illegal immigrants.

It sounds like illegal immigrants are actually carting their nits accross the borders with them in some cases. Is this what is happening? Typically, we don't imagine that illegals haul families with them, the image is of people coming alone after paying off organized crime. Or they get pregnant and them come here to burp up anchor babies.

So instead of breaking out the outrage when they starting asking for college tuition, we might be able to confront them a little further up the production line.

There is also the other issue of how an illegal qualifies for college tuition. They must have sufficient educational background to get it. Where are they getting that? And why can't we boot them out of whatever educational system they are using to prepare for college?

[wetibbe]

Just remember, illegal alien college students normally can't legally and legitimately get a job after graduation !! There are cases of them moaning and groaning because no-one would hire them. Some crying two years after graduation and still unemployed.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

Just remember, illegal alien college students normally can't legally and legitimately get a job after graduation !! There are cases of them moaning and groaning because no-one would hire them. Some crying two years after graduation and still unemployed.

I still think the place to confront illegals in the college system is long before they get to college.

Again, how do we get college age illegal immigrants? How long have they been in the country illegally before they want to go to college? What about their parents?

[DerailAmnesty.com]

Originally Posted by Twoller

I still think the place to confront illegals in the college system is long before they get to college.

Yes, you're right. You said that. You've got this repetition thing down. You also said this: There is also the other issue of how an illegal qualifies for college tuition. They must have sufficient educational background to get it. Where are they getting that? And why can't we boot them out of whatever educational system they are using to prepare for college?


Here's your answer: Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982)

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by DerailAmnesty.com

Yes, you're right. You said that. You've got this repetition thing down. You also said this: There is also the other issue of how an illegal qualifies for college tuition. They must have sufficient educational background to get it. Where are they getting that? And why can't we boot them out of whatever educational system they are using to prepare for college?


Here's your answer: Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982)

Here is Wikipedia's entry on the subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyler_v._Doe

And here is Wikipedia's entry on the Fourteenth amendment which is what Plyler v. Doe is based on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourtee...s_Constitution

Plyler v Doe is pretty weak stuff, the SC's ruling is pretty weak and does not specifically guarantee an education for people not in the country legally.

But at the risk of repeating myself again, we still need to know how we get illegal alien students in the first place. Since we can assume that they are not born here because that process is already corrupted in another way, they must be crossing the border young. It seems to me that it should be easier to catch illegals crossing with children or young adults. Or they maybe crossing as young adults. Why not demand additional enforcement or penalties for people who expose children to illegal immigrant trafficking? Finding children classifiable as illegal immigrants in the education system would be evidence of the despicable practice of illegally trafficking in children and juveniles. Organized crime is bound to be involved and certainly it would be an early recruitment point for herding children into criminal activity and exploitation.

I remember long ago when the arguments about providing schooling illegals was first made. A plausible argument made then was that such a service would be a stop gap measure to identify and relocate families who were in the country illegally. While being processed out, their children could be exposed to educational opportunities and could not be denied such opportunities. But public education for illegals was never intended to be institutionalized this way.

I don't see anything about insisting on schooling be available for illegals that suggest such opportunity be a refuge from policing illegal immigration.

[wetibbe]

Just remember, illegal alien college students normally can't legally and legitimately get a job after graduation !! There are cases of them moaning and groaning because no-one would hire them. Some crying two years after graduation and still unemployed.

As to Jerry Moonbeam, I read a couple of days ago that he confessed that while Governor last time he did not actually have a plan !!!! He just went drifting along and let things happen. It may be that he is just as clueless now.

I don't think Brown will be giving away the company store now if there isn't any store to give away ! With his deficit and the Government defaulting it could be the medicine that moderates his loose and liberal mentality.

About the only consolation that I can think of is that California is an example of what the other states don't want to be.

How did California and New York get so many of these screwball fruitcakes ? Could it be our liberal educational system ?

Bill O'Reilly asked that same question last night and came up with some pretty good answers for California at least.

[DerailAmnesty.com]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

Just remember, illegal alien college students normally can't legally and legitimately get a job after graduation !! There are cases of them moaning and groaning because no-one would hire them. Some crying two years after graduation and still unemployed.

As to Jerry Moonbeam, I read a couple of days ago that he confessed that while Governor last time he did not actually have a plan !!!! He just went drifting along and let things happen. It may be that he is just as clueless now.

I don't think Brown will be giving away the company store now if there isn't any store to give away ! With his deficit and the Government defaulting it could be the medicine that moderates his loose and liberal mentality.

Won't give away the store? The unions just spent millions getting him elected and don't want anything in return? You don't think he's willing to spend CA taxpayer money to make a certain constituency happy - particularly one that gave him lots of votes (Young and Hispanic)?

Do you remember the speech he gave at UCLA less than a week ago wherein he said that financial aid for illegal aliens (The California DREAM Act) in CA is exactly what he'll deliver?

Which Democratic politicians in this state, whom you can name, have stopped spending irresponsibly because we're billions in debt?