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Rim05 · #1 07-05-2011, 11:59 PM

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Quadrupled? That would only be 12 million. Why do politicians and the media always low-ball the real number?

Phil most of those graduating from high school these days can't do the math, literally can't do the math. So politicians can pull out any numbers they want and most wouldn't know the difference.

There could be 50 million. Are you still believing that 11 million song and dance?

LAPhil · #2 07-06-2011, 06:10 AM

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There could be 50 million. Are you still believing that 11 million song and dance?

50 million would be a bit high. That would mean one in six people in this country is an illegal. This is the number I trust: http://www.immigrationcounters.com/

Ayatollahgondola · #3 07-06-2011, 06:58 AM

The reason the government keeps spouting that number is that it is probably close to accurate given that many of the illegals from years prior have been given legal status, ie amnesty. Maybe not citizenship, but legal status to work. I've been harping about this since my early days at SOS, and I know people don't want to hear it, but it's true. They are, and have been legalizing a big portion of the illegal entrants every year, but we have new ones that take their place. Now if you added the amnestied ones into the numbers since 2003 or 2004, you'd probably have 20 to 25 million illegals. I think RIM's estiate would be accurate if you added the sum of the illegals + the amnestied over 6 years + the generous work visas the government doles out + the tourist and other non work visas that work anyway or do not.

LAPhil · #4 07-06-2011, 07:50 AM

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The reason the government keeps spouting that number is that it is probably close to accurate given that many of the illegals from years prior have been given legal status, ie amnesty. Maybe not citizenship, but legal status to work. I've been harping about this since my early days at SOS, and I know people don't want to hear it, but it's true. They are, and have been legalizing a big portion of the illegal entrants every year, but we have new ones that take their place. Now if you added the amnestied ones into the numbers since 2003 or 2004, you'd probably have 20 to 25 million illegals. I think RIM's estiate would be accurate if you added the sum of the illegals + the amnestied over 6 years + the generous work visas the government doles out + the tourist and other non work visas that work anyway or do not.

Interesting. How are those illegals who get amnesty or legal status able to do so?

Ayatollahgondola · #5 07-06-2011, 07:56 AM

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Interesting. How are those illegals who get amnesty or legal status able to do so?

The government just does it. I've relayed personally known cases in regards to that....my former employees...their relatives....some of their friends....they all got legal status despite illegal entry

LAPhil · #6 07-06-2011, 08:06 AM

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The government just does it. I've relayed personally known cases in regards to that....my former employees...their relatives....some of their friends....they all got legal status despite illegal entry

Don't they at least have to apply for it?

Ayatollahgondola · #7 07-06-2011, 08:39 AM

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Don't they at least have to apply for it?

At the time they were discovered to have been living and working here illegally, they did. some did after that. The point being, amnesty is already a reality and has been for years.

Twoller · #8 07-06-2011, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

The reason the government keeps spouting that number is that it is probably close to accurate given that many of the illegals from years prior have been given legal status, ie amnesty. Maybe not citizenship, but legal status to work. I've been harping about this since my early days at SOS, and I know people don't want to hear it, but it's true. They are, and have been legalizing a big portion of the illegal entrants every year, but we have new ones that take their place. Now if you added the amnestied ones into the numbers since 2003 or 2004, you'd probably have 20 to 25 million illegals. I think RIM's estiate would be accurate if you added the sum of the illegals + the amnestied over 6 years + the generous work visas the government doles out + the tourist and other non work visas that work anyway or do not.

"They [the government] are, and have been legalizing a big portion of the illegal entrants every year ..." I'd need to see more details on how this occurs before I believed that.

It is better to over estimate the number of illegals then it is underestimate. And let us not forget that illegal immigration could not exist if it were not for the efforts of those who are here legally and also for those who are naturalized citizens. So it is non-citizens in this country that are the basical problem and this number needs to go down. The number needs to be decreased through massive deportation through increasing criminalization of activities by both illegals and legals, that is the only way, and unless we stand for that, amnesty is the only other solution.

willworkforfood · #9 07-06-2011, 02:05 PM

Roy Beck estimates the number around 36million which seems more realistic then 12million

willworkforfood · #10 07-06-2011, 07:58 PM

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Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney came in third place, but dropped a point to 14 percent, and U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas dropped two percentage points to 11 percent, coming in fourth place.

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