Shawna Forde trial

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Bear Flag Republican

BUT ... a paramilitary organization that had a lot of recruits, formed of radical civillians who cared about the issues, once there IS something that pisses off the masses too much for our governments to ignore, could be very effective, moreso than the regular military. The recent history in the Balkans shows that.

Well, that's what I meant by getting some support from your peers. She and her gang acted pretty much alone...without any authorization. A popular uprising differs from a small gang acting alone and unto themselves

[Bear Flag Republican]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

Well, that's what I meant by getting some support from your peers. She and her gang acted pretty much alone...without any authorization. A popular uprising differs from a small gang acting alone and unto themselves

During the border campaign, the Official IRA splintered from the regulars with only ten members from the Original group which had won Independence.
There IS a military history parallel for that kind of thing. However ... it's one of those facts, you're not a rebel until you learn how to evade capture. A criminal is a bad boy who likes to get caught, a political rebel is an effective soldier who refuses to.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Bear Flag Republican

... Even if she HAD pulled the trigger, which was never alleged, she would have been in the right...

How would she have been in the right by being the shooter?

[Bear Flag Republican]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

How would she have been in the right by being the shooter?

Do you acknowledge that there is an unseen war which costs Americans their lives on a regular basis, and our government is not acknowledging it as such?

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Bear Flag Republican

Do you acknowledge that there is an unseen war which costs Americans their lives on a regular basis, and our government is not acknowledging it as such?

It's not unseen; maybe it's unreported though. The goal of security will not be won with emissaries like her and her associates. They did a half-assed, botched, and completely useless job. I'd challenge you to show me where she did something good here. Everyone wants something done about securing the border, and we'd all like to do something effective; however, when you pull out all the stops, you usually give your opposition more political ammunition to condemn you in the larger audience. People around us have been at this for decades. They've learned that charging in like a raging bull doesn't work. Winning over the public and encouraging them to support a war on the likes of mexico and their regional government proponents will not happen using Forde's tactics, and certainly not with those results.

[Bear Flag Republican]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

It's not unseen; maybe it's unreported though. The goal of security will not be won with emissaries like her and her associates. They did a half-assed, botched, and completely useless job. I'd challenge you to show me where she did something good here. Everyone wants something done about securing the border, and we'd all like to do something effective; however, when you pull out all the stops, you usually give your opposition more political ammunition to condemn you in the larger audience. People around us have been at this for decades. They've learned that charging in like a raging bull doesn't work. Winning over the public and encouraging them to support a war on the likes of mexico and their regional government proponents will not happen using Forde's tactics, and certainly not with those results.

100% agreed.
We have to fight to win, and unfortunately, you can't fight fair with dirty fighters. I just want to clarify the difference between moral right, which may have existed, according to someone I know who interviewed her, and legal or tactical right, which well, the absence is self-evident. unfortunately, it's a very big difference.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Bear Flag Republican

Do you acknowledge that there is an unseen war which costs Americans their lives on a regular basis, and our government is not acknowledging it as such?

Do you believe it would be right that your family be purposefully murdered in a callous home invasion robbery by people masquerading as police and operating on false assumptions?

Additionally, how much does such a crime give false advertisement to the anti illegal immigration movement?

[Bear Flag Republican]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

Do you believe it would be right that your family be purposefully murdered in a callous home invasion robbery by people masquerading as police and operating on false assumptions?

Additionally, how much does such a crime give false advertisement to the anti illegal immigration movement?

The issue is media slant. Like it or not, people in our movement who break the law for it, are still part of it. BUT ... funny how the media emphasizes and gloats over it, and yet minimizes the millions of crimes a year by illegals with a clear political agenda. Red stars have become a prominent hispanic criminal tattoo moreso than before in the past few years, usually combined with aztec art. I dated a half-german half chicano girl who lived on the border of East La on and off for 2 years, I'm not unfamilliar with the "street reality" because I can't avoid seeing it at times. I'm poor, young, and have had to rely on public transport and still do when convenient. I don't have to read an article or see a published excerpt from a police report to know the current attitudes of the hispanic criminals. I just read the pictograms on their arms and necks and legs and faces. Mayans and Aztecs still communicate with well painted stories, they're just not done on walls as much anymore. And the war drums are beating a little louder in the past few years.