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Considering your stand on nicotine, I really appreciate that AG, I've been trying not to mention this stuff here...but this is ridiculous. The California bill, it's labeled as a "save our kids" law....with the electronic cigarette items stuffed directly in the middle.
So you glance at the bill....read the first few sentences....skim through it...read the last few... Yep. Save the kids. Blatant manipulation....something I'm noticing a lot more of lately. The bastards aren't even trying to be sneaky about it any more. It's pretty simple from my viewpoint. Just me alone...California isn't getting 7 bucks a day in tobacco taxes for about 6 months now. That's a significant cut in anticipated money. The FDA is busy making sweetheart deals on development of their own electronic version...but are a few years behind, and the Chinese already nailed the patent. Same as the ammo fingerprint law. Stop criminals from buying ammo my ass...it was to stop shipments of ammo from other states mail order. The president just signed the PACT act as well....which eliminates cross state shipments of tobacco products. Kind of tired of being manipulated. I feel like throwing some shit in a harbor.
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This sounds like an interesting issue. I did some searching at Wikipedia and found the following article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-cigarettes And also in the same article, issues of legality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-cigar...atus_by_region I'm not sure I understand why anyone would want to make these illegal. Maybe they would want to tax the nicotine part. I respect the complaint that these should not be advertised as cessation devices. Which is to say that any time you are consuming nicotine, you are not slowing down your consumption of nicotine. How would these compare with nicotine gum or patches? An interesting thing to observe is that vaporization is a popular way to consume cannabis and the arguments for using "vapes" revolve around the safer consumption of the drug. Of course, you get a lot higher using vaporized cannabis because the drug is more properly extracted from the plant matter. But these days the pretense of medical application has really taken over and nobody talks about that in public. Maybe a similar pretext operates for these e-cigarettes.
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Hey Twoller,
Yeah, the vaporizers for pot have been around for years. Mostly made from a soldering iron and some blown glass. You need almost twice the heat that the e-cig provides to even have a chance of using it for other than nicotine. THC boiling point is around 200C. So the drug use point is moot too. This is about taxes and control...nothing else. Even without a formal years-long study....it's pretty simple to see. Nicotine comprises less than 1% of a cigarette. E-cig users are cutting out 99% of the garbage...and just getting the nicotine (along with flavorings and PG). BTW: PG is a current ingredient in smoking tobacco, used to keep things at the proper moisture content....so it's not like smokers aren't already exposing themselves to it. PG is in my asthma inhaler as well....been using that for years. Inhaled PG (propylene glycol...that stuff that makes fog in the fog machines) has been shown to have some beneficial properties as well... They just want to stuff all of them in a box and put them in the warehouse along with the pee powered engine and my jetpack.
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I don't see where banning this stuff is justified. It's expensive, fussy and requires alot of accessories. It looks like it needs a little skill to operate. It has absolutely no chance of competing with the simple primitive reflexes that seem to take over when tobacco users are lighting up a cigarette.
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Fussy? Absolutely
Accessories? Absolutely Expensive? Eh....not so much. The initial hardware, yeah I see where you're going with that. Considering a carton of smokes is upwards of 50 bucks...you can get a starter kit and a bottle of juice for about the same price. After that, you're good to go at about a tenth of the price. 4.75 / carton equivalent. Putting the parts together takes up some of the "fiddling" that you're mentioning...blowing out smoke, etc. They're a very effective digital simulation. I've sent my letters out, and still haven't received the form letter responses...maybe this is the first time these reps have been hammered by piles of email.
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I don't know if the state gets "tobacco tax" revenue from the gums and patches...I would assume there's some nice little deal in there for everyone involved though. Last time I checked a box of gum was nearly 60 bucks.
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