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[Greg in LA]

Here is an interesting article written about two years ago about Alipac's William Gheen, and his war against Peter Brimelow and Vdare.com. It's interesting to note how many wars William Gheen wages.
This article prompted me to email my letter to Gheen, to let Peter Brimelow know that he wages wars against a lot of people and that he is not alone.
I think it is a good article to read.
William Gheen is a ninnie, and he has alienated just about everybody.
I am sorry to say it saddens me how many activist groups fighting this issue are headed by some fairly loathsome individuals.

http://www.vdare.com/articles/on-tur...acs-bill-gheen

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Greg in LA

Here is an interesting article written about two years ago about Alipac's William Gheen, and his war against Peter Brimelow and Vdare.com. It's interesting to note how many wars William Gheen wages.
This article prompted me to email my letter to Gheen, to let Peter Brimelow know that he wages wars against a lot of people and that he is not alone.
I think it is a good article to read.
William Gheen is a ninnie, and he has alienated just about everybody.
I am sorry to say it saddens me how many activist groups fighting this issue are headed by some fairly loathsome individuals.

http://www.vdare.com/articles/on-tur...acs-bill-gheen

One big problem for those organizations fighting against illegal aliens/open borders is that they require their member to donate to the organization to keep it running or have any power. La Raza, LULAC et al are funded through federal grants, yes our tax dollars. As a result, most that follow La Raza or do the bidding for them do not expect much from them, because it didn't come from their own wallets and they are happy with what every they get. Which sometimes includes getting paid to show up.

Our side, on the other hand, has to struggle financially to even exist. And when there are not enough gains, often those that donated feel their money wasn't used wisely.

On both sides there are people in charge who take the position like it is a paying job. For those in charge of La Raza's side, there is millions to be had in federal grants and they are paid high salaries. But not the same for our side. Basically we are volunteers. We put in our sweat equity and hope for a return.

Gheen thinks of it as a job and can't seem to get the concept that he should be a volunteer. The issue isn't bringing in the donations is once did for many reasons, but the big one is the economy. And it doen't help that Gheen can be a jerk.

[Greg in LA]

Jean you make an interesting point about how La Raza, and organizations like it get lucrative federal funding, where as our organizations survive off of its members donations. Were many fighting on our side don't have deep pockets.

What I don't understand is why some of the leaders of our groups, who actually have very little power nationally, and are pretty much shunned by any political establishment are such egotistical jerks, (Gheen, Gilcrest, Simcox, Nightingale) why so much infighting?

[ilbegone]

LEARN FROM YOUR ENEMY



The Raza groups have had their share of infighting and divergence from the middle 60's on.

Corky Gonzalez of the Denver based Crusade for Justice and founding genius of La Raza Unida Jose Angel Gutierrez (Texas) had falling out due to to both of their immense egos (Gonzalez was going give Gutierrez a personal ass kicking on one occasion, but Gutierrez managed to bluff that he had backup [but really didn't] and it didn't happen). Gutierrez' ultimately dictatorial style, internal lawsuits, and personal aspirations of power among the group (after Gutierrez garnering nearly all the say but after spreading himself too thin and relinquishing some power) led to the break up of La Raza Unida. Reies Tijerina was always off on a tangent about New Mexican land grants, and after having spent some time in jail due to the courthouse shooting his radicalism backed off a notch or three. Cesar Chavez wasn't going along with some of the program, particularly that part involving the Mexican government, because illegals were breaking his strikes.

What was the original Chicano movement somewhat diffused and broke into a multitude of independent groups and individuals more or less following the "plan". Some do get funding from the government and entities like the Ford foundation, others are self funding and rely on voluntarism. They don't always agree with each other, but that is kept out of public sight and among themselves. Their platform agendas vary somewhat beyond the basic plan. NCLR appears to want the body count of everyone whocan be stretched into being "Latino" (including those with Puerto Rican and Cuban ancestry), others are strictly Mexico - centric. There is a wide range of racial rabidity degree, a very few are milder, others are the brown mirror of the Aryan nations. Nearly all have a degree of lunacy to them, not much rational discussion. Reynaldo Berrios (La Vida Loca magazine and the book Cholo Style) or the Mexica Movement are prime examples of mouth frothing racial dementia. Their propaganda all involves the white racist boogyman, their house of cards falls apart without drum beat allegation of white racism.


One of the lessons from that time is that lots of energy and resources are used up by perpetually raising funds, that government and other taxpayer funded office (such as schools) with the buildings, communications, and steady paychecks for loyal soldiers are the best non profit sources for organizing to the cause.

The other lesson is that the takeover has to be from the inside, a third party venture isn't going to last to do it.

There also needs to be some friendly media outlet as well, some of which may have been co-opted from the inside.

The egos need to be put aside and power struggles avoided.

And, while it's a national issue, the battle is quietly being fought block by block, with all the grains of sand adding up.

Lesson number one: there has to be enough people to get in on the inside game and survive the nasty political fights, vicious character assassinations, and outright set ups to change things.

I believe it will ultimately be won either way at the town hall level, the grains of sand adding up nationally.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Greg in LA

Jean you make an interesting point about how La Raza, and organizations like it get lucrative federal funding, where as our organizations survive off of its members donations. Were many fighting on our side don't have deep pockets.

What I don't understand is why some of the leaders of our groups, who actually have very little power nationally, and are pretty much shunned by any political establishment are such egotistical jerks, (Gheen, Gilcrest, Simcox, Nightingale) why so much infighting?

Because of all those things you mentioned about us having no money and no political capitol; We can't develop a working government within our ranks. We end up with a klingon type of assencion system. Each wannabe leader takes whatever opportunity that presents itself to beat down the competition for the top dog spot. It's pretty much that simple. You've got a bunch of power lusting egotists and rag tag volunteer army, and no infrastructure to manage either. It's a catalyst for dictatorship unfortunately