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Old 07-13-2011, 11:45 AM
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Dear Fellow concerned Americans:

For several years our government has sponsored, and paid for, the returm air fare of Mexican Nationals who desire to return voluntarily. This progran occurs during the hottest and most dangerous summer months where the temperature and dehydrationh kills returnees in the desert.

Mexican Nationals only have to return to Arizona where they can hop a plane back to Mexico. In Mexico there are provisions to disperse the returnees to various pueblos free and without recriminations at all.

This program endures 80 days and terminates on the 28th of September, 2011. Returnees must find their own way back to Arizona and apply for repatriation.

Enclosed is a "Notice" that explains the circumstances and gives a contact for reservaions - AGAIN - without tricks or recriminations. This is an honest, heads up, offer that can be trusted and backed by the credibility of the Government of the United States. Copy and hand out in your area . This is not to "trap"culprits but to rather facilitate the safe passage of sincere foreigners.

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The Government of the United States, ICE Immigration and Customs Enforcement, has a program to assist Mexican nationals who wish to return to Mexico voluntarily. This provides free air transportation from Arizona to Mexico's capital and includes inland local bus transport for some pueblos in Mexico. Mexican citizens who wish to participate will need to travel to Arizona to be listed on flights which will occur at the rate of one per week lasting 80 days and ending September 28, 2011. This year's program is sponsored from Yuma and Tucson.

Chief Patrol Agent: Randy R. Hill , CBP

Sector Headquarters Location: 2430 S. Swan Road,
Tucson, Arizona 85711

(520) 670-6871

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William E. Tibbe

Operations Manager
That sounds good, but when we say without recrimination, do we mean they are not documented as being in the country illegally? Because otherwise, what is to prevent them from coming in again illegally? This should be run as an amnesty, where the criminal behavior is documented, but criminal charges are waived on the condition of leaving the country, never to come back and to be excluded from any further consideration of legal entry or citizenship.

What is the meaning of "William E. Tibbe, Operations Manager"?
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Old 07-14-2011, 04:54 AM
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Twoller:

Thanks for your interest.

Only Mexican Nationals who do not have a criminal record are eligible.

Naturally we know that they steal identities and carry multiple counterfeit documents.

The part about no recriminations means that there are no tricks. Some LEO's advertise prize winners to lure culprits in who have the cuffs slapped on them. This programs isn't intended for such chicanery. It is straight up. Lamentably many Mexicans and OTM's will try to game the system, and most probably enjoy a free ride home only to return soon.

ICE, CBO, Homeland Security will surely ID the travellers for future reference.

Unfortunately Immigration and Customs laws are not being enforced so we can deal with what is available.


William E. Tibbe, Operations Manager is the main POC for Citizens Civil Defense, a collaboration with the FBI for Infrastructure protection. CCD estimats that there are possibly 600,000 network partners.

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Old 07-14-2011, 07:39 AM
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Only Mexican Nationals who do not have a criminal record are eligible.

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ICE, CBO, Homeland Security will surely ID the travellers for future reference.

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This is where we keep falling short. People who are in the country illegally are criminals. If we provide for transportation of illegals out of the country, it should function as an amnesty program. The illegals admit to being criminals, assume the status of a criminal in the eyes of our government for all further reference, but we do not prosecute them. This is amnesty.

Since they admit to being criminals, then if they try to come back in for another free plane ride, they will be ineligible because they are admited criminals.

But the program has no real appeal or function unless we are actually enforcing the law against illegal entry and residence in the US. Once we start doing that in earnest, we might be able to expand the program for other countries like Asia, Africa and Europe.

This would be amnesty I think everyone here could stand behind.
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Old 07-14-2011, 07:43 AM
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... This should be run as an amnesty, where the criminal behavior is documented, but criminal charges are waived on the condition of leaving the country, never to come back and to be excluded from any further consideration of legal entry or citizenship.

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This is not right. I should have said, "... but criminal charges are not prosecuted on the condition of leaving the country, ..."
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