Seattle Cop Killer Hailed as Muslim Hero

[Kathy63]

Originally Posted by LAPhil

I don't think it's incumbent upon members of a minority group to seek out and identify others in that group who are continually breaking the law. That would be like racially profiling themselves. Should white people identify criminals in their communities and make a point of telling other ethnic and racial groups that "We're not like them!" Minorities are no more responsible for criminals who share their ethnic or racial identity than anyone else.

Examine your statement a bit.

When was the last time you saw a group of white folk come out in support of the KKK or skinheads like you see minority communities come out in support of the WORST criminals among them?

Minorities aren't responsible for criminals who share their ethnic or racial identity but they are ABSOLUTELY responsible for their OWN behavior in supporting these criminals.

Why did the Christian/Newsom killers get such support? Why did the black community in Long Beach threaten the city until the gang that beat up those white girls was released? Why did Tookie Williams get a televised state funeral?

Can you see whites supporting Timothy McVeigh? Ted Bundy? Any criminal based on skin color alone????

No. Because that would make us sympathetic to the worst among us. By legitimizing and accepting such behavior we'd be no better than them.

You can count on the fingers of one had the black leaders who speak up. And you can count them ALL slapped down again by their own people.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

Examine your statement a bit.

When was the last time you saw a group of white folk come out in support of the KKK or skinheads like you see minority communities come out in support of the WORST criminals among them?

Minorities aren't responsible for criminals who share their ethnic or racial identity but they are ABSOLUTELY responsible for their OWN behavior in supporting these criminals.

Why did the Christian/Newsom killers get such support? Why did the black community in Long Beach threaten the city until the gang that beat up those white girls was released? Why did Tookie Williams get a televised state funeral?

Can you see whites supporting Timothy McVeigh? Ted Bundy? Any criminal based on skin color alone????

No. Because that would make us sympathetic to the worst among us. By legitimizing and accepting such behavior we'd be no better than them.

You can count on the fingers of one had the black leaders who speak up. And you can count them ALL slapped down again by their own people.

Kathy you make a very good point. As I wrote before, you can not change bad behavior until you recognize it and be honest about it.

[LAPhil]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

Examine your statement a bit.

When was the last time you saw a group of white folk come out in support of the KKK or skinheads like you see minority communities come out in support of the WORST criminals among them?

Minorities aren't responsible for criminals who share their ethnic or racial identity but they are ABSOLUTELY responsible for their OWN behavior in supporting these criminals.

Why did the Christian/Newsom killers get such support? Why did the black community in Long Beach threaten the city until the gang that beat up those white girls was released? Why did Tookie Williams get a televised state funeral?

Can you see whites supporting Timothy McVeigh? Ted Bundy? Any criminal based on skin color alone????

No. Because that would make us sympathetic to the worst among us. By legitimizing and accepting such behavior we'd be no better than them.

You can count on the fingers of one had the black leaders who speak up. And you can count them ALL slapped down again by their own people.

Kathy:
I'll concede the part of your point about how minorities who do not commit criminal behavior but support others who do simply because they belong to that minority are partially responsible for the crime in their communities. However, you also need to consider the fact that there are many blacks and Hispanics who do not condone the behavior under any circumstances. I don't think they need the additional burden of rooting out crime in their own communities, which is the job of law enforcement, when they are already being stereotyped as being prone to crime. It doesn't seem fair to further penalize the honest, law-abiding citizens in the minority communities just because there also happen to be a lot of bad apples in the group.

[Kathy63]

Then it is incumbent upon those who object to speak up. Otherwise they run the risk of joining the mythical moderate muslims. At least muslim organizations give some lip service to condemning their errant brothers (I doubt they mean it).

Unfortunately, to very many blacks, the ones who speak up are treated worst of all. Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, Walter Williams, Bill Cosby, fine vocal men (although Cosby is quite a racist himself) that certainly are not treated well in their own communities.

[LAPhil]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

Then it is incumbent upon those who object to speak up. Otherwise they run the risk of joining the mythical moderate muslims. At least muslim organizations give some lip service to condemning their errant brothers (I doubt they mean it).

Unfortunately, to very many blacks, the ones who speak up are treated worst of all. Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, Walter Williams, Bill Cosby, fine vocal men (although Cosby is quite a racist himself) that certainly are not treated well in their own communities.

I still have to disagree with you there. I think it's incumbent upon other people not to assume that a few bad apples necessarily spoil the whole bunch. Should the Jewish people in this country speak up about the fact that they're not all like Bernie Madoff? After all, he perpetutes the stereotype of the conniving, money-grubbing Jew, right? Even if there were a thousand Bernie Madoffs out there, it still wouldn't be correct to assume that Jews can't be trusted as a rule.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Should we watch out for the crimes of others and report them? I thought that was what many neighborhoods did with Neighborhood Watch programs. It seems a rather simple example, but the concept it the same. You see crime, you report it. How many Neighborhood Watch programs are there in crime ridden neighborhoods? Not many.

[LAPhil]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

Should we watch out for the crimes of others and report them? I thought that was what many neighborhoods did with Neighborhood Watch programs. It seems a rather simple example, but the concept it the same. You see crime, you report it. How many Neighborhood Watch programs are there in crime ridden neighborhoods? Not many.

It's hard to have neighborhood watch programs in crime-ridden neighborhoods because in many cases the people don't want to become targets for the local gang. They know if you snitch it could mean your life. Neighborhood watch programs aren't looked upon too fondly by the gang bangers, and you can't really blame the good people for being afraid to stand up to them. The only way out for most of them is to find a better neighborhood.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by LAPhil

It's hard to have neighborhood watch programs in crime-ridden neighborhoods because in many cases the people don't want to become targets for the local gang. They know if you snitch it could mean your life. Neighborhood watch programs aren't looked upon too fondly by the gang bangers, and you can't really blame the good people for being afraid to stand up to them. The only way out for most of them is to find a better neighborhood.

That may be true in some cases, but in many the gang bangers and drug dealers are the brother who's sleeping on the couch, or the sister who lives in the next house. They don't turn in their own. They create those neighborhoods then complain if there's a drug sweep complaining of racial profiling. I have very little sympathy for them.

[Don]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

Should we watch out for the crimes of others and report them? I thought that was what many neighborhoods did with Neighborhood Watch programs. It seems a rather simple example, but the concept it the same. You see crime, you report it. How many Neighborhood Watch programs are there in crime ridden neighborhoods? Not many.

There used to be a tee-shirt with a picture of a gallows. The caption said: "This neighborhood does more than watch!"