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Old 08-20-2010, 08:23 AM
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For the third time Barbara Coe of CCIR has declared me to be a traitor and has now added that I have an anti-American agenda.

I have also been accused of planning to show up to disrupt the forthcoming CCIR meeting at which Ted Hayes, Allan Monssoor, and Chelene Nightingale will be speaking.

I am shocked by the tone of this email and at the baseless and extremely vile accusations made against me. I had not had any contact with Barbara Coe for many months.

I had quit CCIR and requested that they take me off their email list as a consequence of Barbara Coe having sent out the first email blast proclaiming me to be a traitor.

A second email was sent to me a few months ago declaring me to be "a bought for and paid traitor".

I find myself in the same situation that Davi Rodrigues was in months ago when he scuffled with Chelene, and produced a video asking for a review of the facts pertaining to his situation within the former SOS. Jeff Schwilk proceeded to try to bully and humiliate Davi with a series of threatening and vulgar emails. It appears that it is now my turn.

I have emailed Barbara Coe asking her for an explanation as to why she thinks that I am the awful things she declares me to be but have received no answer. This is the email I received:
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Frank....
Am totally confused. For years, you proclaimed (and proved) to be a fellow-patriot, devout supporter of CCIR and true friend to Chelene.

Then, with no explanation, you "turned" - no more CCIR support and public condemnation of Chelene. How much was your "pay-off" Frank?

It does not really matter. You have made your position clear. Am just puzzled as to WHY you bring some unknown dude known as "Mark Pickering" (who professes to be your friend but cannot spell your name) into this scenario? What's the point?

No matter, Frank. CCIR has thanked and honored you for your past support when we believed YOU were a fellow-American patriot.

We are heartsick to learn that you are now a "turned" - - "bought & paid for TRAITOR". However, that is beyond our control and although there is nothing we can do to change your treacherous anti-American goal, I do have the authority to advise YOU (and your fellow-traitors) NOT to show up at our CCIR Picnic.

HBPD has been alerted - capable CCIR members have been alerted. If YOU or any one of your sicko "bought & paid for" followers even TRY to disrupt this dedicated patriot day, you might be very distressed at the results.

Got the message, TRAITOR Frank ? Have a nice life!
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Old 08-20-2010, 08:45 AM
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This is the email I received:
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Frank....
Am totally confused. For years, you proclaimed (and proved) to be a fellow-patriot, devout supporter of CCIR and true friend to Chelene.

Got the message, TRAITOR Frank ? Have a nice life!
BC
Barbara Coe has inexplicably linked the movement, and your patriotism to Chelene Nightingale. This is not a new strategy. The Nazi party did the same in linking devotion to Adolf Hitler to patriotism and defense of the fatherland. Barbara Coe is so enamored with Nightingale that she has placed her ahead of the very movement that it is all supposed to serve. That's a giant mistake. Obviously one that has been made before with catostrophic results, and I would think an old fossil like Coe would be both old enough to remember it, and intelligent enough not to further it.
Maybe she will come to her senses again soon.
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Old 08-20-2010, 08:53 AM
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Maybe she will come to her senses again soon.

Her incessant tobacco use has obviously enhanced her cognitive abilities.
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:38 AM
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Shades of Davi Rodriguess I am in the same predicament he was in more than a year ago.
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I emailed Barbara Coe yesterday asking for an explanation and received nothing so this morning I sent another email including Lupe Moreno and John Clark so that they might look at whatever evidence Coe has based her accusations on and make their own determinations as to whether I am guilty of what Barbara alleges. Here is that email written just moments ago:
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I have received from Barbara Coe one of the ugliest emails I have ever received.
It is full of condemnations and assumptions that are leveled at me without
ever stating any facts to back her claims.

So I ask:
Barbara since you have made all of these accusations against me public back them up with facts.
1. You state that I am bought and paid for: By whom? Who is paying me to do what?

2. You also state that I have an anti-American agenda: Explain this.

3. You have warned me not to show up to the CCIR picnic to disrupt the event or police and capable CCIR members will deal with me:
I have not had nor do I plan to attend your picnic. I have never ever thought of disrupting any CCIR gathering or event. This is lunacy!
I have a friend that has fallen on hard times and I will on the weekends be helping him put his life together. Your picnic
falls on a weekend date and I will be helping my aged veteran friend to cope with his personal catastrophe.

4. I am now asking you to tell me who is feeding you this pack of lies. I know you didn't come up with this by yourself. That
you would believe any of this and actually print and distribute such is reprehensible. You could have called me and asked me about any of your
concerns but you did not. You immediately railed against me and have publicly declared me to be a traitor. What the hell is wrong with you?


Barbara you have three times accused me on email of being a traitor. The first time I forgave you, the second time we were simply done with each other.
I had not planned to ever attend a CCIR function ever again nor to retain membership. I recently received your great publication over regular mail
and along with it was an envelope for membership dues. I wanted to send funds to support CCIR but then remembering that you had twice declared me
a traitor I decided that it would be beyond foolish for me to renew my CCIR membership.


You have had the audacity to insult me by making such false statements.
You have also impugned my family's honor.

In our household and outside of it we are patriots always, traitors never.

I expect you to come up with an explanation for what you have done backed up with facts and the name of the
person telling you these lies.

I have no complaints against CCIR whatsoever.

Barbara I do not like you and i never will ever again. You have been stupid, arrogant, and supremely unjust with someone that has always thought highly of you.

I have included Clark and Moreno as recipients of this email because they are good people and great patriots. Show them your evidence and let them judge me.

I will not have my family's honor go undefended.

Sincerely,
Frank Jorge

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Barb's email to me:

Frank....
Am totally confused. For years, you proclaimed (and proved) to be a fellow-patriot, devout supporter of CCIR and true friend to Chelene.

Then, with no explanation, you "turned" - no more CCIR support and public condemnation of Chelene. How much was your "pay-off" Frank?

It does not really matter. You have made your position clear. Am just puzzled as to WHY you bring some unknown dude known as "Mark Pickering" (who professes to be your friend but cannot spell your name) into this scenario? What's the point?

No matter, Frank. CCIR has thanked and honored you for your past support when we believed YOU were a fellow-American patriot.

We are heartsick to learn that you are now a "turned" - - "bought & paid for TRAITOR". However, that is beyond our control and although there is nothing we can do to change your treacherous anti-American goal, I do have the authority to advise YOU (and your fellow-traitors) NOT to show up at our CCIR Picnic.

HBPD has been alerted - capable CCIR members have been alerted. If YOU or any one of your sicko "bought & paid for" followers even TRY to disrupt this dedicated patriot day, you might be very distressed at the results.

Got the message, TRAITOR Frank ? Have a nice life!
BC
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:47 AM
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Her incessant tobacco use has obviously enhanced her cognitive abilities.
Beyond a shadow of a doubt her brain is under attack by something.
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:52 AM
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Barbara Coe has inexplicably linked the movement, and your patriotism to Chelene Nightingale. This is not a new strategy. The Nazi party did the same in linking devotion to Adolf Hitler to patriotism and defense of the fatherland. Barbara Coe is so enamored with Nightingale that she has placed her ahead of the very movement that it is all supposed to serve. That's a giant mistake. Obviously one that has been made before with catostrophic results, and I would think an old fossil like Coe would be both old enough to remember it, and intelligent enough not to further it.
Maybe she will come to her senses again soon.
I agree with AG. If she ever wakes up it will be too late.
To treat anyone as unfairly as she has me is wrong and inexcusable.
It is a filthy, horrible thing to hve done.
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:53 AM
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Barbara Coe has inexplicably linked the movement, and your patriotism to Chelene Nightingale. This is not a new strategy. The Nazi party did the same in linking devotion to Adolf Hitler to patriotism and defense of the fatherland. Barbara Coe is so enamored with Nightingale that she has placed her ahead of the very movement that it is all supposed to serve. That's a giant mistake. Obviously one that has been made before with catostrophic results, and I would think an old fossil like Coe would be both old enough to remember it, and intelligent enough not to further it.
Maybe she will come to her senses again soon.
I agree with you AG. If she ever wakes up it will be too late.
To treat anyone as unfairly as she has me is wrong and inexcusable.
It is a filthy, horrible thing to have done.
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:54 AM
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What is disturbing to me is that Barbara would 'use' the country's pride to justify her outright revenge on you. She lost a daughter recently and it seems she has replaced her with Chelene.

Frank was only trying to help Chelene and in turn Chelene exploited his kindness. Coe jumped on the bandwagon in defense of her new found daughter, and Jeff is just trying to keep his name out there by hanging on to what ever Chelene brings to the table.

This will all be over in a few days and then the three of them will have to deal with the mess they've made of things. But Barbara should have had more sense than to stick her nose in something that she had no business in, along with Jeff.

Chelene never did much to offend me, but what she's doing now in regards to this group is really low. It seems she's exploiting Coe's loss of her daughter and setting herself up as a replacement, which is really below the belt. Barbara needs to get her emotions in check and do a bit more research on who is doing what and to whom.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:04 AM
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What is disturbing to me is that Barbara would 'use' the country's pride to justify her outright revenge on you. She lost a daughter recently and it seems she has replaced her with Chelene.

Frank was only trying to help Chelene and in turn Chelene exploited his kindness. Coe jumped on the bandwagon in defense of her new found daughter, and Jeff is just trying to keep his name out there by hanging on to what ever Chelene brings to the table.

This will all be over in a few days and then the three of them will have to deal with the mess they've made of things. But Barbara should have had more sense than to stick her nose in something that she had no business in, along with Jeff.

Chelene never did much to offend me, but what she's doing now in regards to this group is really low. It seems she's exploiting Coe's loss of her daughter and setting herself up as a replacement, which is really below the belt. Barbara needs to get her emotions in check and do a bit more research on who is doing what and to whom.
I agree on all points. Barbara, irregardless of her affections for Chelene has an obligation as all of us do to be just with everyone else. I am not going to cut her any slack on this. She's gagging on the fumes coming out of Chelene's orifices. Breathe Barbara, breathe!
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I just don't understand what I view as the lunacy of power struggles, maneuvers for position, and character assassination in the anti illegal immigration movement.

I was never involved with Coe, Swilk, or the vast majority of the others. I never met Chelene, but Chelene did try to run me off the old board. And she was vicious about it.

The "anti American" invective is just one version of an old smear tactic. "If you don't agree with my narrow perspective you're anti-American!!!", or queer, back stabber, Benedict Arnold, molester of small bovines, incestuous, immoral, criminally inclined, sell out, and so on and on...

I don't have personal ties with those people, and I don't care what they might think of me. I sometimes feel very fortunate that there is only one person in the anti illegal movement who can tie my physical presence with my screen name without lots of footwork (a couple on the pro illegal side might have me nailed down)

I don't have your personal experience or personal investment and therefore my thought might be naive and simplistic or presumptuous and intrusive: work with whomever you can work with, and cut the rest in the clear.
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