Arizona Leading the March Back to Sovereignty

[ilbegone]

As I understand it, the only argument which could be successful against the Arizona immigration law is whether immigration enforcement is the sole domain of the Federal government, as is printing money and the like.

With all the precedent of the states cooperating with the Federal government concerning immigration, it would have to be a question of whether enforcement cooperation is merely permitted by the feds or whether the states have the self governmental right to enforce mirrored Federal law.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

As I understand it, the only argument which could be successful against the Arizona immigration law is whether immigration enforcement is the sole domain of the Federal government, as is printing money and the like.

With all the precedent of the states cooperating with the Federal government concerning immigration, it would have to be a question of whether enforcement cooperation is merely permitted by the feds or whether the states have the self governmental right to enforce mirrored Federal law.

The federal government is the only one who can enforce immigration law. What Arizona is doing is police power, which our constitution does not allow the federal government to do.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

The federal government is the only one who can enforce immigration law. What Arizona is doing is police power, which our constitution does not allow the federal government to do.

The Feds have done quite a bit of policing over the last two hundred years, whether it is constitutional or not.

In the matter of immigration law, the government has chosen not to enforce.

For example, the executive employee at ICE coming out on record that ICE won't process illegal aliens Arizona detains.

After I heard that, I made it clear to my elected representatives that if a government employee refuses to do his job, it is insubordination and that person needs to be fired.

I also made it clear that that if elected officials had no interest in seeing to it that government employees do the job they were hired to do, there was no real reason for those officials to continue with federal employment as well.

They can't keep the lid on the immigration issue much longer, and however it is resolved it's my belief that there will be quite a few formerly secure politicians unhorsed over the couple of elections over the issue.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

The Feds have done quite a bit of policing over the last two hundred years, whether it is constitutional or not.

In the matter of immigration law, the government has chosen not to enforce.

For example, the executive employee at ICE coming out on record that ICE won't process illegal aliens Arizona detains.

After I heard that, I made it clear to my elected representatives that if a government employee refuses to do his job, it is insubordination and that person needs to be fired.

I also made it clear that that if elected officials had no interest in seeing to it that government employees do the job they were hired to do, there was no real reason for those officials to continue with federal employment as well.

They can't keep the lid on the immigration issue much longer, and however it is resolved it's my belief that there will be quite a few formerly secure politicians unhorsed over the couple of elections over the issue.

I agree with you 100%, but what I was pointing out is that the state of Arizona is well within the Constitution with what they are doing. Only states can use "Police Power" that is why there is no "Government Police". The government is allowed to investigate then take it to the states to police or courts to enforce. This is not what our government is doing, and we all know it. But the left is crying that what Arizona is doing is unconstitutional.

It will be interesting to see what happens in court.

[usa today]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

I agree with you 100%, but what I was pointing out is that the state of Arizona is well within the Constitution with what they are doing. Only states can use "Police Power" that is why there is no "Government Police". The government is allowed to investigate then take it to the states to police or courts to enforce. This is not what our government is doing, and we all know it. But the left is crying that what Arizona is doing is unconstitutional.

It will be interesting to see what happens in court.

Jean
It is a simple answer , It will remain ON ICE , in Limbo and unenforced , the first lib judge will render it moot until appeal

Any guesses on how many YEARS it will take this to get to the SC ?

If an appeals court (9th) doesn't strike it down first

[LAPhil]

Originally Posted by usa today

Jean
It is a simple answer , It will remain ON ICE , in Limbo and unenforced , the first lib judge will render it moot until appeal

Any guesses on how many YEARS it will take this to get to the SC ?

If an appeals court (9th) doesn't strike it down first

Even if the 9th Circus Court of Schlemiels strikes it down it can still be appealed to the Supreme Court. So the law very well could be put on ice for a while, but I think it will have a much better chance of being upheld by the Supreme Court than any of the lower courts.

[ilbegone]

The important thing is that the Arizona immigration law is forcing the hand of governmental obstructionists and encouraging others to act according to their convictions.

It's great that someone in a state government finally had the balls to bring the issue to the forefront.