Arizona seeking to criminalize undocumented immigrants

[Twoller]

I am not convinced. "Illegal immigrants" are already criminals. Any effort to "criminalize" illegal immigrants only plays into the argument that they are not criminals already and may even have that purpose.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Twoller

I am not convinced. "Illegal immigrants" are already criminals. Any effort to "criminalize" illegal immigrants only plays into the argument that they are not criminals already and may even have that purpose.

I don't agree.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

I don't agree.

Why can't Arizona just enforce federal laws? Why do they need to create a new law about "trespassing" in Arizona? That doesn't sound silly to you? Arizona is certainly subject to federal law. Why can't Arizona prosecute illegals for being illegal under federal law?

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Twoller

Why can't Arizona just enforce federal laws? Why do they need to create a new law about "trespassing" in Arizona? That doesn't sound silly to you? Arizona is certainly subject to federal law. Why can't Arizona prosecute illegals for being illegal under federal law?

Because many states just use the excuse that it's a federal law and it's the federal governments responsibility for enforce it. That is exactly what we heard at the Santa Clarita City Council meeting on Tuesday. It gives states and local cities and counties a way out of dealing with the issue.

[usa today]

Actually Arizona could enforce the federal immigration laws , they could tell the feds to kiss off and arrest and deport them , they can do a lot of things

Keep in mind , just like in several states they still have a lot of symp libs crying over their poor illegals.

They are trying to get tougher within a workable framework though

I really do think if JD Hayworth pushes the illegal issue he can take out
McMoron.

JD is a pretty likable guy and he has some smarts , If he handles this right he can win.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by usa today

Actually Arizona could enforce the federal immigration laws , they could tell the feds to kiss off and arrest and deport them , they can do a lot of things

Keep in mind , just like in several states they still have a lot of symp libs crying over their poor illegals.

They are trying to get tougher within a workable framework though

I really do think if JD Hayworth pushes the illegal issue he can take out
McMoron.

JD is a pretty likable guy and he has some smarts , If he handles this right he can win.

All states could enforce federal law, but many just use the fact that it is federal law not state law as an excuse to say it's only the federals governments job to enforce it. If states actually make it their law also, then there are no more excuses left not to enforce either.

[usa today]

In all reality there are many laws that are "federal laws"

But most local police enforce those

Kidnapping
Alcohol and Tobacco
Bank robbery

and many others

They don't go after illegals because their bosses don't want them to

Any local police force can cut the illegals in their cities by 90% just enforcing laws on the books like Dui checkpoints , occupancy laws and many other local laws.