Back to the Border 2011

[Ronbass]

Originally Posted by Eagle1

We will see real change when heads of the various government organizations are formally charged with aiding and abetting illegal aliens and for committing treason against the American people.

So far border ops are great for intel purposes but the real deal is to prosecute
politicians who are operating outside of their Constitutionally defined limits.

When we have attorneys (Where is FAIR on this?) willing to do this we will also come close to having a civil war on our hands.

Still, border ops are an invaluable means of bringing the truth to the American people.

Agree with everything you have said here.

FAIR Board of Directors seem like RINOS and don't want to upset too many apple carts.

Lawyers would sue if we showed them the money.

Seems the Immigration and Border Control movement is poorly organized and poorly financed.

[wetibbe]

Originally Posted by Ronbass

Agree with everything you have said here.

FAIR Board of Directors seem like RINOS and don't want to upset too many apple carts.

Lawyers would sue if we showed them the money.

Seems the Immigration and Border Control movement is poorly organized and poorly financed.

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I'm the New York State States Adviser to FAIR. And YOU know Susan Tully and Dan Stein very well. For my part I am very active under the covers and I shun public involvement with FAIRS actions. I rattle cages all the time. I invite you to beat up on Susan with any beefs. She's a sweetheart that likes you and will listen.

Bob Najulski is the East Coast Rep and he should contact you for discussions. Also Joyce Mucci is active and involved. Bob should show his face here.

For the matter of Minuteman actions, an Arizona legislator has said that he is interested in funding actions. Off the record I am promoting that and it is presently stewing. Needless to say we cannot entrust our donors dollars to the old regime. I have proposed that the AZ legislature reimburse patriots for certain expenses based on valid receipts. What I have said is that volunteers do not expect any salary or compensation for services on the line. However, meals, lodging and possibly airfare could be considered.

As to safety,I have two comments.

* Arizona big game hunters encounter the cartels in the out back. The hunters are armed. But there seems to be some understanding that the hunters are after game and not mules. So when they encounter each leaves the other be !

* The cartels are now becoming more aggressive providing armed escorts for the mules. Some may be coked up on their own product. If Minutemen do not try to impede them there will probably not be shootout. But it is very unpredictable. Past Minuteman rules of engagement were - no talk, no speak, not touch.

* It has to be understood that not everyone is a mule. CBP has a special team that rescues distressed illegals. Thus Minuteman border teams should recognise and distinguish the difference and evaluate the threats.

[wetibbe]

For any who didn't know, FAIR has a companion organization IRLI Immigration Reform Law Institute that deals with the legal aspects of consequences to Citizens from illegal immigration.

IRLI has been active for many years and involved in helping to draft legislation for Towns all over America. Hazleton, Pa. is one of many.

http://www.irli.org/

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

For any who didn't know, FAIR has a companion organization IRLI Immigration Reform Law Institute that deals with the legal aspects of consequences to Citizens from illegal immigration.

IRLI has been active for many years and involved in helping to draft legislation for Towns all over America. Hazleton, Pa. is one of many.

http://www.irli.org/

Yes. they supposedly helped Joe Turner draft the initiative that earned him some fame. The one that failed.

[Ronbass]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

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I'm the New York State States Adviser to FAIR. And YOU know Susan Tully and Dan Stein very well. For my part I am very active under the covers and I shun public involvement with FAIRS actions. I rattle cages all the time. I invite you to beat up on Susan with any beefs. She's a sweetheart that likes you and will listen.

Bob Najulski is the East Coast Rep and he should contact you for discussions. Also Joyce Mucci is active and involved. Bob should show his face here.

For the matter of Minuteman actions, an Arizona legislator has said that he is interested in funding actions. Off the record I am promoting that and it is presently stewing. Needless to say we cannot entrust our donors dollars to the old regime. I have proposed that the AZ legislature reimburse patriots for certain expenses based on valid receipts. What I have said is that volunteers do not expect any salary or compensation for services on the line. However, meals, lodging and possibly airfare could be considered.

As to safety,I have two comments.

* Arizona big game hunters encounter the cartels in the out back. The hunters are armed. But there seems to be some understanding that the hunters are after game and not mules. So when they encounter each leaves the other be !

* The cartels are now becoming more aggressive providing armed escorts for the mules. Some may be coked up on their own product. If Minutemen do not try to impede them there will probably not be shootout. But it is very unpredictable. Past Minuteman rules of engagement were - no talk, no speak, not touch.

* It has to be understood that not everyone is a mule. CBP has a special team that rescues distressed illegals. Thus Minuteman border teams should recognise and distinguish the difference and evaluate the threats.

I spoke to Gayle at NJCIC today and she told me that Bob from Fair had sent her an e-mail suggesting they have an event of some kind.
He hasn't contacted me and that's ok.

As far as citizens going back to the border, the only purpose they serve is to embarrass the Feds into doing something. When the MM Project fell apart the Feds were of the hook.
U.S. Military is the correct solution for stopping this narco-terorrist invasion.
A government funded MM op sounds nice but it should be supervised by local sheriffs. A friend on the border told me the MM volunteers would piss off the cartels, then they go home and leave the locals to deal with the pissed off cartels.
Why don't you consider instead supporting a 'Send the U.S. Military to the Mexican Border Immediately" instead of a MM op that won't get the job done.
I personally am tired of accepted no win solutions to everything for the sake of political compromise and political correctness as in Unbalanced budgets, unsecured borders, unconstitutional Federal laws. lt is time to balance our budgets, follow the Constitution and send the Marines to our border and shoot the narco-cartel bastards who are invading our country like we are some kind helpless third world country.
This is a war. it should be fought with our military and not border police aka Border Patrol.
All the best
Ron
See my new blog,
http://sendusmilitarytomexicanborder.blogspot.com/

[wetibbe]

Thanks Ron:

Actually I do support the regular military on the border and have for years. You didn't see some of my old posts. I went a little bit further suggesting a 10 mile demilitarized zone in Mexico if conditions warranted. *( But we don't want to own Mexico ).

I don't believe that there is only one cause or one solution to anything. I thing that BOTH the military on the border and volunteers should, and could, be considered. Recently Congress heard a Pentagon terrorism expert offer DOD assistance. I don' think it is any secret that I am a member of Infragard. So I wrote to the DOD agent, William Wachsler, thanking him and asking him to implement the offer. I included a "wish list" and copied several Congressmen, Senators and top Pentagon officials. I also wrote to Governor Jan Brewer and copied Russell Pearce, Senate leader, telling them about Jim Gilchrist's Minuteman Project aspirations to put 200 hard core veterans on the mountain tops at Cartel lay up areas. He will never raise the funds from donations to implement it. Only some Arizona Government backing will cause it to happen and they are strapped for funds.

[Ronbass]

Maybe Gilchrist needs to take his 200 future border defenders and go to DC and do some "house" cleaning up there.

[Ronbass]

Narco-terorrist are invading our southern border.
Silence implies consent. Do not be silent.
Send the following link to your congressmen and Senators.

Send U.S. Military to Mexican Border Immediately
sendusmilitarytomexicanborder.blogspot.com

Border police (Border Patrol) have not been able to stop this narco-terorrist cartel invasion and the situation is only getting worse. The training that Border Patrol receives, their lack of numbers along with their rules of engagement, are not designed to stop the well armed and extremely dangerous cartels.

How can our government, per the Department of Homeland Security, tell us that things are going well on the border, when foreign drug cartels now occupy and control many locations on the border and well into the interior of AZ.

In addition it has been reported that these mexican drug cartels are operating in 230 American citizens.

America has the ability to defend our borders. We not doing so?
Our failure to defend our nation and our people makes it aparent that we are no longer "the land of the free and the home of the brave" but we are now
"the land of the politically correct and the home of the craven"

If you choose freedom over servitude and bravery over cowardice then if nothing else, let your voice be heard, and stand up to the quislings in our government.

quis·ling - noun - a person who betrays his or her own country by aiding an invading enemy, often serving later in a puppet government; fifth columnist.

Let our government officials know that they are in violation of the U.S. Constitution and in turn in violation of their oath of office for not executing:

Article IV, Section 4 instructing the President and Comander-in-Chief to defend the states from invasion

."The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion

And Article !, Section 8 wich authorizes Congress to: "To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions";

We the people have a covenant with our government.
If our government officials are in violation of their constitutional duties it then becomes our responsibility to hold them accountable. If we, the last bastion of our own freedom, do not stand up and speak out in our own behalf and in behalf of our country, then As Ronald Reagan emphasized, America will no longer be a shining city upon a hill whose beacon light guides freedom-loving people everywhere." ...we will become another chapter in the history books of nations and peoples tha have been consigned to the trash bin of history.
May the patriots of America find the strength and the courage to speak up and speak out now.

A nation's security begins at its borders not in Libya.

Send this to your Congressmen and Senators
Send U.S. Military to Mexican Border Immediately
sendusmilitarytomexicanborder.blogspot.com

[Ronbass]

Stop the invasion 2011A coalition of Border Security Groups, Immigration Control Groups and individuals need to regroup to lobby and promote Border Security in response to the ever growing cartel presence on the Mexican border.

Jim Gilchrist said:
Deployment of U.S. Army into northern Mexico
The time to deploy U.S. Army Airborne Rangers into Mexico to eliminate the criminal cartels headquartered there is long overdue.

Jim, in my opinion is definitely on the mark with this kind of thinking. I think the first step and the one that I have been calling for in this thread is for the border to be militarized with regular U.S. forces in order to stop all illegal entry into our country as prescribed by law.

This is prescribed and mandated in the Constitution as we all know in Article IV, Section 4 and is the primary responsibility of our Federal Government and our U.S. Military to protect the states from invasion. In fact it says in the Constitution that a state needs no permission from congress to go to war to defend itself from invasion.

To invade Mexico to eliminate the drug cartels is not a strategy that I would be in favor of.

As was previously stated; But we will need a totally new Government before anything like that happens.

It is a basic responsibility, that we the people, defend our nation from foreign invaders at our border in order to protect our families from all of the negative consequences resulting from the invaders.

The concept of defending from an invading army in uniform is a simple one.

The concept of defending against an unarmed migration is more difficult for a politically correct country like we are today, to deal with. Yet in the long run it is more insidious (Proceeding in a gradual, subtle way, but with harmful effects)

Unless we can persuade our current government officials that we are being invaded and U.S. Military need to be employed to stop the invasion and enforce all our border laws (which are the laws of our country the same as kidnapping or bank robbery laws) then we are obligated as American citizens to remove these government officials and replace them with those who will act accordingly.

This process needs to start immediately.

The 2012 POTUS election is just around the corner. I believe that regardless of which party winds up in the White House, the border invasion will not be adequately addressed.

Therefore “We the people” should begin a serious attempt to defend ourselves from this invasion.

All strategies should be applied.

Sue government officials.
Citizen activism on or near the border similar to MM project.
Boycotts of government officials who refuse to take action to defend us.

Do I think the American people will rally to defend themselves against this invasion as the Minutemen did to rid themselves of King George in 1776.

No I don’t think so.

But it will not stop me and my fellow citizens across the country and on this board
from protesting this invasion and calling for action.

Whoever will join me send me your name or code name, City, State and e-mail address. Telephone # optional.

I will maintain a contact list only. You are not joining any organization.

Send to info@unitedpatriotsofamerica.com