Trying to keep racism at arm’s length

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

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As well, if one has an overwhelming need to refer to illegals AND American citizens with Latin American ancestry in all generations of citizenship in a blanketed derogatory manner as well as put forward an idea that one needs to blindly harden one's heart towards everyone with Latin American ancestry while demanding the merciless hounding of them all, It's my belief that /those person(s) need(s) to sh** the Fu** up" because those words will be seized on and used against the goal of immigration law enforcement.

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The minute that anyone opposed to the international immigration problem starts mincing their words so as not to offend the defenders of illegal immigration, then they might as well give up. The only reason they assume an offended position is because they know that opposition to illegal immigration requires a conscience. Having a conscience makes you vulnerable in a way that the open borders will never be. They have no conscience. It is a fake pose carefully calculated to manipulate those who do have a conscience.

If you are angry, if you wish to stand up and speak in no uncertain terms and give words to your anger and outrage, you have an obligation to your conscience to do so. Your only responsibility is to stand by your words and show some reflection and integrity. That's all. Ignore people who tell you to "Shut the f**k up". Ignore people who won't even pretend to care what you are actually saying

I'll say it again. Illegal immigrants need to be hunted down and thrown out. Nobody who does not have permission to be here should imagine they have a moment's peace. Not them, not their children, not their grandparents. Nobody. This country is not a nursery nor a retirement home nor a hospital for anyone sneaking accross the border. "Shut the f**k up"? Get the f**k out. Now.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Twoller

The minute that anyone opposed to the international immigration problem starts mincing their words so as not to offend the defenders of illegal immigration, then they might as well give up. The only reason they assume an offended position is because they know that opposition to illegal immigration requires a conscience. Having a conscience makes you vulnerable in a way that the open borders will never be. They have no conscience. It is a fake pose carefully calculated to manipulate those who do have a conscience.

If you are angry, if you wish to stand up and speak in no uncertain terms and give words to your anger and outrage, you have an obligation to your conscience to do so. Your only responsibility is to stand by your words and show some reflection and integrity. That's all. Ignore people who tell you to "Shut the f**k up". Ignore people who won't even pretend to care what you are actually saying

I'll say it again. Illegal immigrants need to be hunted down and thrown out. Nobody who does not have permission to be here should imagine they have a moment's peace. Not them, not their children, not their grandparents. Nobody. This country is not a nursery nor a retirement home nor a hospital for anyone sneaking accross the border. "Shut the f**k up"? Get the f**k out. Now.

I know exactly what you are saying, and this is what I see:

1) An old film clip which documented a WWII German officer beating an old Jewish man to the ground, beat and kicked him some more, then killed the old man with a pistol.

2) The guys who unfurled a Nazi flag at an SOS rally some years ago, whether they came from the National Socialists seeking to embarrass SOS for spurning them or were part of the far left seeking to discredit SOS's efforts concerning illegal immigration.

What do you do besides run your hate spewing mouth?

I will guarantee you one thing, and it's certainly a promise. If you or any of your buddies show up on my doorstep with your racist attitude, you will receive an unpleasant education as to why you should have reconsidered your itinerary.

I never thought I ever would say anything like I am saying to you at SOS.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

I know exactly what you are saying, and this is what I see:

1) An old film clip which documented a WWII German officer beating an old Jewish man to the ground, beat and kicked him some more, then killed the old man with a pistol.

2) The guys who unfurled a Nazi flag at an SOS rally some years ago, whether they came from the National Socialists seeking to embarrass SOS for spurning them or were part of the far left seeking to discredit SOS's efforts concerning illegal immigration.

What do you do besides run your hate spewing mouth?

I will guarantee you one thing, and it's certainly a promise. If you or any of your buddies show up on my doorstep with your racist attitude, you will receive an unpleasant education as to why you should have reconsidered your itinerary.

I never thought I ever would say anything like I am saying to you at SOS.

What do you do besides lie about what I am posting? When you constantly pose me as a Nazi, you are lying. There is nothing in what I have posted anyhwere, absolutely nothing to suggest a comparison with Nazis. And then you tell me to "Shut the f**k up". You have already crossed the line.

I insist that the administrators here do something about it. These kind of false accusations are exactly the same strategy applied by the open borders crowds and I think this is what this guy is, just a subversive trying to incite hysteria against me, somebody who has demonstrated in posts over and over again complete opposition to racism and violence of any kind, anywhere.

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

Animals are hunted, not people. Please tone down your posts, and don't use the excuse of political correctness. You're getting very close to crossing the line.

Again, this is a hysterical accusation. You most certainly hunt criminals down. This is the job of law enforcement and especially the immigration authorities and this is what needs to be done to illegal immgrants. They need to be hunted down and thrown out.

Don, go hurl yourself off a cliff. You have already shamed yourself by insisting that people attending a Ku Klux Klan meeting is something to find encouragement in. Now you are trying to iincite trouble against me by posing sympathy for my posts. We have nothing in common, you know it and you are also lying by posting as if we do.

Is there nobody posting here with an ounce of integrity or sincerity? Is it all just deception and spin?

[ilbegone]

Some food for thought, Twoller:

the enemy is seen as being evil in all possible ways, with the implied and often express message that he should be physically eliminated. This is perhaps the most important distinction between these extremist movements and moderate opinion. The latter can muster respect, no matter how grudging, for a common humanity of the opponent while the former will make no such allowance. http://www.fringegroups.com/2008/06/...tribution.html

How does one rationalize murder in their own mind? How are they able to get to the point where they become OK with taking another life?

The answer unfortunately, is simple – they have to dehumanize the subject in their own to the point where they feel as if they aren’t taking a life. http://outtheotherear.wordpress.com/...towards-murder

The propaganda machine portrays the victim group as less than human. In Rwanda, the Hutus called their Tutsi neighbors 'cockroaches.' In Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge said their victims were "worms." To the Nazis, Jews were "vermin."

Dehumanization is the most powerful psychological tool used in all mass murder and genocides, Zimbardo said. "Dehumanization blurs your vision. You look at these people and you do not see them as human."

Instead, the enemy is treated as a germ -- as something to eradicate, or else face the threat of infection.


http://www.cfcamerica.org/index.php?...news&Itemid=96

The above quotes very well describes your mode as well as what you actually do have in common with Don despite the denial:

Don, go hurl yourself off a cliff. You have already shamed yourself by insisting that people attending a Ku Klux Klan meeting is something to find encouragement in.

Twoller, you might as well just suit up and torch the cross - You have all the qualifications to fit right in with the white sheet brigade.

[ilbegone]

In Nazi Germany, the descriptive word was "Vermin":

Originally Posted by Twoller

Hunt them down and throw the little rats out before they commit any crimes.

Just about all the bases concerning old time Nazi propaganda were hit in this one:

The same thing is true with the anchor baby filth. The idea is to pour this fillth on to the heads of public, contemptuosly and with a tide of corruption in our legal system. This is intended to demoralize citizens away from reaction.


It is most important to react and to tailor your basic reflections away from acceptance and towards complete alienation from those who falsely claim US citizenship. Every second of every day of every week of every year. Always. Harden your heart against the fraudulent citizens that are being belched up every day onto your feet, true citizens. Spit on them in your very souls.

Govern yourselves and conduct yourselves in a civil manner, but give the scum absolutely nothing. Not the time of day, not even a brick if they are drowning.

http://saveourstate.info/showthread.php?p=6007#post6007

A biased reply concerning "Hispanics" who are American citizens as if they were all knuckle dragging child molesting troglodyte illegals straight from Mexico:

http://saveourstate.info/newreply.ph...ewreply&p=5968

Now "mindless and souless" as well as universaly stupid:

Originally Posted by Twoller

An excellent point.The working class culture of the US has little place for a drudge and the subversives in our society engineer jobs specifically to make space for these mindless, souless people crawling over our borders.

Leaf blowers are for those too stupid to know how to use a rake or a broom.

http://saveourstate.info/showthread.php?p=5566#post5566

I twist what you have to say, neglect to understand your true intent? You say it well enough without any help from me.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck.

[Don]

Wow! Pretty strong stuff you wrote there Twoller.


When are you going to publish your first book?

[Twoller]

You two obviously work together. Maybe you are the same person posting under two different aliases.

I stand by what I say. The Nazis accused innocent and honorable people of being vermin. The Nazis themselves were the vermin and the illegal immigrant, Adolph Hitler was the worse vermin of them all. It was no wonder he needed to displace his own slimy soul onto innocent people. The illegal immigrants can easily seen to be vermin by their own criminality and behavior. They are vermin, else we would want them here. Amnesty would work and sensible people would support it.

Illegal immigrants are bad people and deserve any acrimony we can heap on them. We need to match contempt with contempt.

[admin]

Recess everyone,

I would like to address the posts in here in a general sense, however tonight I'm a bit shallow in thought. In the interim, if everyone would first consider that not all of us have moderate or tempered responses about the illegals. We usually request a bit of restraint on the public forum because we are a charitable organization, and we would rather see those with powerful commentary aim it at their political parties, reps and appointees as opposed to the illegal alien population...for now anyway

[DerailAmnesty.com]

There are two Save Our States. I came to realize this after I had been a member for about 6 weeks (back in '06).

There is the message board Save Our State and there is the real world SOS. The two overlap about 20%. In my experience, the former is commonly where the "trouble" or most pronounced extremism comes from. Usually there is a collection of people who post and are rarely or never seen at rallies and other functions. Their SOS existence is limited to the internet. On the rare occasions I've heard white supremacist sentiments or Anti-Semitism from my fellow border security advocates, it has come from folks who never show their faces, march down hostile streets, get behind police barricades, patrol a day labor site or stand in the rain waving signs at passing traffic.

Most people whose activism is limited to internet discussions are not extremists or embarrassments. But for as long as I can recall, there has always been a vocal minority of SOS folks who flame, engage in hate speech, mouth sentiments out-of-step with opinions of most SOS members, and generally take full advantage of the cocoon of anonymity that internet message boards offer.

I can recall people openly discussing potential alliances with skinheads when "fighting in the streets breaks out." I distinctly remember two individuals getting upset with things I wrote, and then reading posts about Jews only being loyal to "their own kind," not trusting "goyim," and using the immigration issue to "divide patriots." Further, the most vile anti-Hispanic rhetoric I've seen on our website (past and present) has always come from people I've never met.

Insofar as the dozens of events I've attended in So. California, I've never gotten so much as a whiff that the people with whom I was protesting possessed racial animosity, ethnic bigotry or had boiled the immigration debate down to a skin color contest. Border Raven, AmericanPatriot77, Ray and Robin, JeanfromFillmore, Ole Glory, Foothillpages.com, PochoPatriot, Lupe, Watchdog, OldPreach, GSBAmerica, Jalira, Weasel, Tim55, Borderwatch, Kingfish, TheBob ... hell, even Chelene. I know the people who have taken public stands and engaged in SOS activism. They're not racists. I've worked and appeared with these folks repeatedly. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The reality is that we live in a free expression driven country and tolerate most types of speech in our everyday lives and on our boards. Resultingly, a small percentage of it is going to be ugly and not reflect accurately upon the organization. If I thought any of the things described in the 4th paragraph (above) were accurate depictions of my cohorts on the streets, I'd have bailed out of SOS a long time ago.

[Don]

Originally Posted by Twoller

The minute that anyone opposed to the international immigration problem starts mincing their words so as not to offend the defenders of illegal immigration, then they might as well give up. The only reason they assume an offended position is because they know that opposition to illegal immigration requires a conscience. Having a conscience makes you vulnerable in a way that the open borders will never be. They have no conscience. It is a fake pose carefully calculated to manipulate those who do have a conscience.

If you are angry, if you wish to stand up and speak in no uncertain terms and give words to your anger and outrage, you have an obligation to your conscience to do so. Your only responsibility is to stand by your words and show some reflection and integrity. That's all. Ignore people who tell you to "Shut the f**k up". Ignore people who won't even pretend to care what you are actually saying

I'll say it again. Illegal immigrants need to be hunted down and thrown out. Nobody who does not have permission to be here should imagine they have a moment's peace. Not them, not their children, not their grandparents. Nobody. This country is not a nursery nor a retirement home nor a hospital for anyone sneaking accross the border. "Shut the f**k up"? Get the f**k out. Now.

A great voice in a great cause. This is the resolve that is necessary to win a war for national survival.