Back to the Border 2011

[stepman]

While I am in North Jersey I am interested in a SECURE BORDER. Let's make some REAL noise and wake up OUR Congressman.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Getting border ops together is pretty tough these days. Money being the big obstacle. People used to have a little disposable income to spend on a weekend or 4 day deployment, but not these days. Plus, a lot of practiced border op people have moved away from the border. I'd like to see it, but it will be an uphill effort.

[ilbegone]

It's time for American Patriots to go back to the border.
If any one has resources that they know of post on this thread.
For example, on going volunteer border patrol operations.

Secure the Border, Enforce the Law, and no Amnesty.

A secure border involves kicking the living shit out of the enablers of illegal immigration - politicians and employers of illegal aliens - nothing else will make it happen.

[Ronbass]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

Getting border ops together is pretty tough these days. Money being the big obstacle. People used to have a little disposable income to spend on a weekend or 4 day deployment, but not these days. Plus, a lot of practiced border op people have moved away from the border. I'd like to see it, but it will be an uphill effort.

Yes, back to the border is definately and uphill effort.

I had a UPA friend who was sending money every month to one of the Minuteman groups and I suggested he stop since no one knew where the money was going to. it was clear the Minutemen organizations were raising millions of dollars but it wasn't getting to the field Operations.

American Patriots might contribute again if they knew an honest paymaster was getting the money to the men in the field.

Because border security in the name of the Minutemen was unsucessful the first time around doesn't mean that we should not attempt to secure our borders.

A future message to Patriotic Americans.
If you can't go to the border send money so those who can go are funded"
"If you don't have money to send then pray for those in the field and call and bug the hell out of your Congressmen and tell him that you want the Citizen Volunteers on the border replaced with U.S. Military.
"Doing Nothing Is Not a Solution"
Your either part of the solution or part of the problem.

It's time more American became part of our border solution.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Ronbass

"Doing Nothing Is Not a Solution"
Your either part of the solution or part of the problem.

It's time more American became part of our border solution.

Truly stated and firmly agreed.

However, I'm not going to the border for several reasons, nor am I discouraging any who want to go. It does make for visibility for the cause.

I believe the border is just one part of a large picture. I'm working on other parts of the picture which I believe has been unintentionally ignored. And, unless the dirt bag enablers of illegal migration in Washington are relegated to the dust bin of History never to return, there will never be border security and there will be no meaningful posting of troops on the border.

A future message to Patriotic Americans.

I have trouble with the word "patriot". Just what is a "patriotic American"?

The usage of "patriot" in much of the anti immigration movement in the last 6 - 8 years is "someone who jumps when I tell them and asks how high on the way up", and the opposite of a "patriot", ie "traitor to his country", is "anyone who doesn't 100% agree with me". Sort of has a manipulative, propagandist twist to it.

So how is someone being a "patriot" and "doing something" judged within yourself?

[Ronbass]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

Truly stated and firmly agreed.



And, unless the dirt bag enablers of illegal migration in Washington are relegated to the dust bin of History never to return, there will never be border security and there will be no meaningful posting of troops on the border.

Agreed. Troops are needed on the border. And the enablers need to be replaced.
Maybe those who are willing to go to the border should be redirected to tracking down the enablers.
According to some information I have received since my previous post, I am retracting my suggestion that a do over of the Minuteman project be attempted.
Since the minuteman project kicked off in 2005 the border has become way to dangerous for groups of well intentioned citizen volunteeers.
The southern border needs to be militarized with U.S. troops with orders to shoot to kill all trespassers. And yes the enablers need to be dealt with first and replaced.
" Back to the Border in 2011 with US Military."

[Eagle1]

We will see real change when heads of the various government organizations are formally charged with aiding and abetting illegal aliens and for committing treason against the American people.

So far border ops are great for intel purposes but the real deal is to prosecute
politicians who are operating outside of their Constitutionally defined limits.

When we have attorneys (Where is FAIR on this?) willing to do this we will also come close to having a civil war on our hands.

Still, border ops are an invaluable means of bringing the truth to the American people.

[Bear Flag Republican]

Originally Posted by Eagle1

We will see real change when heads of the various government organizations are formally charged with aiding and abetting illegal aliens and for committing treason against the American people.

So far border ops are great for intel purposes but the real deal is to prosecute
politicians who are operating outside of their Constitutionally defined limits.

When we have attorneys (Where is FAIR on this?) willing to do this we will also come close to having a civil war on our hands.

Still, border ops are an invaluable means of bringing the truth to the American people.

I don't know where I'm jumping in on this. But I'd like to help with the BOG aspect of border ops. I have family in AZ and friends in OC / SD whom I could visit.

[Ronbass]

Originally Posted by Eagle1

We will see real change when heads of the various government organizations are formally charged with aiding and abetting illegal aliens and for committing treason against the American people.

So far border ops are great for intel purposes but the real deal is to prosecute
politicians who are operating outside of their Constitutionally defined limits.

When we have attorneys (Where is FAIR on this?) willing to do this we will also come close to having a civil war on our hands.

Still, border ops are an invaluable means of bringing the truth to the American people.

Agree with everything you have said here.

FAIR Board of Directors seem like RINOS and don't want to upset too many apple carts.

Lawyers would sue if we showed them the money.

Seems the Immigration and Border Control movement is poorly organized and poorly financed.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Ronbass

Agreed. Troops are needed on the border. And the enablers need to be replaced.
Maybe those who are willing to go to the border should be redirected to tracking down the enablers.
According to some information I have received since my previous post, I am retracting my suggestion that a do over of the Minuteman project be attempted.
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People should do what they feel best. It's not my place to judge other's activism.

I've been thinking of how to get to governmental enablers. Of course there are the election cycles in which candidates will suck the chrome off of political bumpers, so to speak, to get elected. Then they do what they want and find weasel words to justify turning their backs on their campaign rhetoric.

A lot of the problem, as I see it, boils down to numbers and areas of responsibility.

There are hundreds of congressional members who craft legislation and create the governmental budget, which is approved or vetoed by the President. A veto may be over ridden by a percentage vote in Congress.

There are perhaps hundreds of thousands of governmental employees who work in departments directly reportable to the President, including Homeland Security and the Department of Justice. Congress may propose the laws and provide the funds these departments operate under, but they are not in the direct chain of command.

How do we get to Governmental employees who refuse to enforce the law? How is it that Obama or anyone in the chain of his command can dictate just which illegals are subject to enforcement and which will not be pursued?

The president can be impeached for dereliction of duty, but I don't see inclination in congress for this sort of action.

How does a Grand Jury get set into motion, can Napolitano be held accountable for restricting border and interior enforcement?

How would the Judiciary generally view such a thing?