Church to Hold "Burn a Koran Day" 9/11

[ilbegone]

I could spend hours on this one.

Suffice it to say that with each and every one of these statements rings a tone of hypocrisy and disregard for history.

There is humble belief and evil practice in every religion, and I suggest that if one lives in a house of glass one shouldn't be throwing stones.

[PochoPatriot]

I got into this debate on Facebook. First, if a person or a group of people want to burn a Qu'ran, go for it. However, I do not believe it is appropriate for a church to sponsor this sort of event for a number of reasons, most of which are based on Jesus' and the apostles writings on how the church should function.

In my opinion, there is no good reason to burn any book. This sort of activity to me, smacks of Nazi Germany, and it lowers us to the Muslims levels. Someplace that I would rather not be.

This does not make me a Muslim, liberal or anti-American. If you think it does, then Nightingale is probably your candidate of choice, and that says more about your abilities to think for yourself, than it does about my patriotism.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by PochoPatriot

I got into this debate on Facebook. First, if a person or a group of people want to burn a Qu'ran, go for it. However, I do not believe it is appropriate for a church to sponsor this sort of event for a number of reasons, most of which are based on Jesus' and the apostles writings on how the church should function.

In my opinion, there is no good reason to burn any book. This sort of activity to me, smacks of Nazi Germany, and it lowers us to the Muslims levels. Someplace that I would rather not be.

This does not make me a Muslim, liberal or anti-American. If you think it does, then Nightingale is probably your candidate of choice, and that says more about your abilities to think for yourself, than it does about my patriotism.

I think the book burning thing is being misinterpreted. Some people burn books because they don't want the teachings in them distributed. But in this case, I believe, but am not entirely sure that it is a valid form of protest much like burning a flag.
I think the book burners in this case want to make a policial statement, or intend to offend the other parties involved as opposed to prohibiting their first amendment rights or their right to free exercise of religion.
The book burners might have done better to offend them by building a mannequin of an islamic woman with viel and bhurka, and then having a christian or uncle sam dressed character ripping it off her

[Twoller]

Islam is evil, it was born evil and will always be evil. But if these folks want to make a point, they would have more people reading the Koran, not burning it.

That's the really unremarkeable thing the Geert Wilders did with his videos. He just quotes from the Koran. He just pointed out what everybody should have always known already about this supposedly "classical" religion.

[PochoPatriot]

I forgot to mention when I post on this topic earlier, that I posted a fuller statement about this topic on my blog.

[ilbegone]

Every last one of those numbered paragraphs apply to multiple versions of Christianity since the church achieved political power in the days of Constantine.

I have no doubt that there are “Christians” who would be burning “apostates” and “heretics” at the stake right here and now rather than the Koran in the United States if they could get away with it. That's why the founding fathers saw fit to provide for separation of church and state.

Want religion sanctioned mass murder of conquered unbelievers? Check the Book of Joshua.

Women without rights? Solomon's Harem which contained hundreds of “wives” and concubines.

Political Corruption? One need not look farther than the antics of King David, who, among other things, impregnated a loyal soldier's wife then sent the soldier on a suicide mission. While it's been close to 35 years since I cracked a Bible, I also believe there is an account of David killing a neighbor for his wife. Yet “everything David did was right in the eyes of the Lord”.

How about the well documented practice of medieval lords forcing the right to appoint clergy?

Jesus' crucifixion is well documented? It is documented that there was a Pontius Pilate in Palestine about the believed time of Jesus' death. There is no official documentation of Jesus, and I believe the only mention of Jesus Christ outside of the religion is a brief entry in Josephus' history, which I believe was written after the Jewish revolt of AD 70. This also a thirty five or so year old memory. I had a copy of Josephus' work, I don't know what happened to it.

How about all the mutual butchery between Catholic and Protestant, and mutual bloodshed between Muslim and Christian throughout the ages?

How is it that God is “on” every side of a conflict?

I haven't even scratched the surface. As I said, I could go on for hours.

The only form of prosperity for Arabs before Mohammed was raiding other Arabs. Mohammed forbid the practice between Arabs, so Islam expanded from the Arabian peninsula with raiding turned into conquering. At least until the crusades, and I believe in some cases afterward, Christians and Jews were not required to convert to Mohammedism when part of of a conquered population.

Much of written language of Spanish Christian kings before the United Kingdoms of Ferdinand and Isabella were in Arabic, and I believe Ferdinand and Isabella oversaw the defeat of Grenada wearing Arabic clothing. Then again, how about that Spanish Inquisition which an Evil Spanish priest convinced Isabella to institute?

What is the real problem concerning Muslim hatred of Christians and the US? Muslim extremism born of sects or cults like Wahabbism, and eternal tit for tat internal conflict born of the Sunni and Shia rift (similar to the western Roman and eastern Orthodox split in Christianity – who got to pull the strings).

As I said before, there is humble belief and evil practice in every religion, and here is to genuine humility overcoming blatant evil in every professed religion..

[Don]

I am normally live and let live, but if they want to burn the Koran, go for it.

I am so sick of hearing about the "contributions" of Islam to the USA, the space program and every other God damned thing. This morning I was listening to the local communist radio station, KPFK, and one of these charlatans said that "Islam was present when the first American settlers came in 1620..." and that Islam has made contributions, blah, blah, blah.

Well settlers came to what is now the USA long before 1620 and they weren't Muslims. The Roanoke Colony, that disappeared without a trace, was established in 1586 and no Muslims were among them.

Jamestown, the first permanent English settlement in North America, was founded in 1607.

The Scrooby Separatists, later known to history as the "Pilgrims", were Protestant reformers who landed at Plymouth Mass in 1620. There were no Muslims among them.

I am sick and tired of these liars cashing in on the achievement that is America with a lot of puffery about their "contributions." Their contribution to US history was as Barbary Pirates who attacked our ships and enslaved our people. Muslims were involved big time in the slave trade, enslaving and trading both white and black slaves. As a newly established country in the aftermath of the American war for independence, we had to fight our first war against them.

Congress should pass a Muslim Removal Act, round them up and ship them out. They have been enemies of Western Civilization for 1,200 years and they are a scourge to this very day. When they get their numbers up, they will kill and enslave us too, like they have done for hundreds of years in other parts of the world.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

It's the stoning of women that in itself should put the breaks on embracing this so called religion. As everyone may know, I'm not big on religion but I don't begrudge other from practicing their faith, and we as a country have done well under a christian upbringing. But I don't think we could say the same if it had been under this ugly religion. Women aren't even allowed to worship with men and they're treated like pieces of meat to be chewed up when ever the men feel like it. Women are not even considered second class, they're of no class and so brainwashed and submissive. It's so sad.

[Kathy63]

We can't do anything that might incite the muslim world! They might dislike us.

I have seen plenty of disrespect for religion, all kinds, islam should not be spared simply because it will make the muslims dislike us. If the Church is denied a permit for burning the koran as a symbolic protest, they should not burn the koran. Wrap it in bacon and let the dogs pee on it. Everyone should be happy. No burned Korans and a whopper of a symbolic protest.