MexGames look to U.S. athletes of Mexican heritage

[MexicanAmerican]

I am an American born in this country. My husband is a legal Resident born in Mexico. My daughter's greatest wish is to play soccer- at any level. Because her father happened to be born in Mexico and I was born in the US she can play either in the United States or in Mexico. She would love to play in the Olympics. It is hard to get an invitation to try out for the US National or Olympic team. So if my daughter gets the opportunity to try out for the Mexican National or Olympic team then we will take it. Now, if the US National/Olympic team comes knocking on our door and wants her to play for the US instead of Mexico, then we will take it. Or if you find out where there is an open invitation for the US team, let me know and I will take her.

Furthermore, I am a professional tax-paying American. I am paying for my daughter's education, and I am also paying for her training as she plays Club Soccer in LA. The taxpayers are not paying for her training. And no, the US did not give her the opportunity or the advantages to get her to her level of athleticism. I, the parent, gave her the opportunity and advantages to develop her skills. I am the one who has been taking her to practices, traveling across the nation to tournaments, paying for it out of MY OWN POCKET. The US government is not paying a single dime towards my daughter's training. I am paying for training from coaches across the world, including coaches from England, Mexico, and Argentinia. If I lived in Mexico, I would do the same thing.

[ilbegone]

Personal reply in next post

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by MexicanAmerican

I am an American born in this country. My husband is a legal Resident born in Mexico. My daughter's greatest wish is to play soccer- at any level. Because her father happened to be born in Mexico and I was born in the US she can play either in the United States or in Mexico. She would love to play in the Olympics. It is hard to get an invitation to try out for the US National or Olympic team. So if my daughter gets the opportunity to try out for the Mexican National or Olympic team then we will take it. Now, if the US National/Olympic team comes knocking on our door and wants her to play for the US instead of Mexico, then we will take it. Or if you find out where there is an open invitation for the US team, let me know and I will take her.

Furthermore, I am a professional tax-paying American. I am paying for my daughter's education, and I am also paying for her training as she plays Club Soccer in LA. The taxpayers are not paying for her training. And no, the US did not give her the opportunity or the advantages to get her to her level of athleticism. I, the parent, gave her the opportunity and advantages to develop her skills. I am the one who has been taking her to practices, traveling across the nation to tournaments, paying for it out of MY OWN POCKET. The US government is not paying a single dime towards my daughter's training. I am paying for training from coaches across the world, including coaches from England, Mexico, and Argentinia. If I lived in Mexico, I would do the same thing.

First let me congratulate your daughter on her skill and may she be a competitor on the US Olympic team.

Second, you are fortunate to be in a position to be able to finance trips around the nation for your daughter to play. As well, I also believe that you see the value of education and your daughter is successful in her studies.

My personal feelings are mixed.

The fans in Mexico cheered Osama Bin Laden, booed our national anthem and police in riot gear held the crowd back when our team was last there.

And I don't believe that there should be hyphenated Americans, that one's loyalty should not to the foreign national origins of one's ancestors - including that of one or both parents, race does not indicate nationality, and that Americans should represent America.

[PochoPatriot]

Originally Posted by MexicanAmerican

I am an American born in this country. My husband is a legal Resident born in Mexico. My daughter's greatest wish is to play soccer- at any level. Because her father happened to be born in Mexico and I was born in the US she can play either in the United States or in Mexico. She would love to play in the Olympics. It is hard to get an invitation to try out for the US National or Olympic team. So if my daughter gets the opportunity to try out for the Mexican National or Olympic team then we will take it. Now, if the US National/Olympic team comes knocking on our door and wants her to play for the US instead of Mexico, then we will take it. Or if you find out where there is an open invitation for the US team, let me know and I will take her.

Furthermore, I am a professional tax-paying American. I am paying for my daughter's education, and I am also paying for her training as she plays Club Soccer in LA. The taxpayers are not paying for her training. And no, the US did not give her the opportunity or the advantages to get her to her level of athleticism. I, the parent, gave her the opportunity and advantages to develop her skills. I am the one who has been taking her to practices, traveling across the nation to tournaments, paying for it out of MY OWN POCKET. The US government is not paying a single dime towards my daughter's training. I am paying for training from coaches across the world, including coaches from England, Mexico, and Argentinia. If I lived in Mexico, I would do the same thing.

This post demonstrates just how insidious the current immigration policy is towards American citizenship. When something does not cost a person something, they treat it as worthless. Hence, the attitude you see above. This woman's American citizenship is meaningless. Why? Because it was a "birthright", and she has passed that same attitude on to her daughter who will play for a sewer country because she's not good enough to play for the US.

[ilbegone]

I read this today concerning a teen age girl, Elly Leyva, earning a spot on USA soccer team that will be part of a pre Olympic tournament in Mexico City next month.

The fact that she is brown is irrelevant to me, and I am happy that having been born in America she is representing America, but the fact that she was picked in part by her race and family ancestral origins is a mockery of the civil rights act. Where's the ACLU?

And why is the Mexican consulate meddling with our affairs?

SAN JACINTO: Soccer player competes in Mexican-American Games

..."The event is put on by the Mexican Consulate every year as they look for athletic talent in different sports amongst the Hispanic community throughout the United States," said Walt Guzman, her varsity soccer coach...

...Elly earned her spot on the USA Team at the 2011 Mexican-American Games, which were held last month in Long Beach. She was one of 1,000 girls vying for 18 slots on the team. Players had to be from Mexico or of Mexican origin. Elly's mother, Maria, was born in Arandaz, Jalisco, and her father, Jose, is from Mexico City...

The whole article http://www.pe.com/localnews/hemet/st...4.37f8de7.html

[Twoller]

It's hard to figure which is more perverse, the notion that Mexico is soaking the US, trolling for Mexicans that the US is babysitting to play in international competition representing Mexico, or those same Mexicans in the US representing the US in international competition.

And, come to think of it, exactly which of these Mexicans are showing that kind of performance to represent the US internationally anywhere, in any field?

The reality is that Mexicans in this country are pretty mediocre at best. Every time I see somebody who might be from South or Central America, I think "Oh crap, what are they screwing up now?"

"Made in China" means you pay less and maybe the quality will be less. "Made in Mexico" means you might as well throw away your hard earned money.

People say we need all this illegal labor. Need it? Maybe. Want it? No way.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Twoller

People say we need all this illegal labor. Need it? Maybe. Want it? No way.

Geez Twoller; I think that's probably the most profound thing I've seen you write here yet

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Twoller

...And, come to think of it, exactly which of these Mexicans are showing that kind of performance to represent the US internationally anywhere, in any field?

The reality is that Mexicans in this country are pretty mediocre at best. Every time I see somebody who might be from South or Central America, I think "Oh crap, what are they screwing up now?"

"Made in Mexico" means you might as well throw away your hard earned money.

People say we need all this illegal labor. Need it? Maybe. Want it? No way.

The girl isn't Mexican, she's an American by more than one definition. And there is no way that she would be regarded by Mexican nationals as being Mexican, regardless of what the Mexican consulate is trying to pull off.

As a top scholar and athlete, Elly hopes to attend college on a soccer scholarship and already has been approached by a school in Minnesota.

Even taking advanced placement calculus, U.S. history and English language and comprehension this year, she said she never missed practices.

She may be unusual with her success in studies, she will probably be indoctrinated with brown racism in her higher education, and she will certainly have a viewpoint concerning her parents, but you can't call the girl "mediocre" or a "screw up".

My point in the above post is that if there were a soccer team that accepted "white American or northern European only" rather than from Mexico or of Mexican origin, there would be a great hypocritical outcry concerning racism and the ACLU, MALDEF, the brown racial groups, and maybe even the US Department of Justice (suing California over an inmate's beard, suing a San Joaquin valley landlord over allegation of sexually harassing a tenant) would be in the middle of it.

[ilbegone]

I might have an answer for the recruiting of kids who have grown up in America to play on Mexican teams.

I discovered a recently published book by Jorge G Castanada, who is the son of Mexican diplomats and, even though born and raised in Mexico City, had some of his youth growing up in other countries than Mexico. He was also a foreign minister for Mexico, and is a professor in America. The book is titled MANANA FOREVER? Mexico and the Mexicans.

The book is devoid of racial victimization charges, by the way - he seems to disclaim that premise as an obstical to progress in Mexico. As I read it, the book suggests that there needs to be a cultural change for Mexico to be able to be a part of and compete in the modern world.

Even though it is merely part of his book, Castaneda points out that while Mexicans excel at individual sports such as boxing (individual action), they do miserably in team sports such as soccer (collective action). As I understand it and simply put (and not in the full context of what I have read so far - it's hard to explain in a few words), Mexicans culturally tend not to be team players in much of life, with cooperation not going much farther beyond the individual himself to the individual family as a whole busy finding individual solutions for collective problems.

So, essentially the Mexican government is looking for kids with brown skins and Spanish last names raised in America who have acquired certain American cultural traits not much found in Mexico such as collective action (a component of team work) which make them superior soccer players.

Even if some I've read interviews about who can't communicate in Mexican Spanish and aren't considered to be Mexican by anyone in Mexico except the Mexican government.

To me, it seems to be a cynical propaganda ploy by the Mexican government appropriating American raised players to kick mainstream America in the collective nuts.