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Immigration Topics relating to the subject of US Immigration |
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Phil
I'm always positive , I'm positive that they will judge shop until they find one that will strike down this law or put it on hold forever What I am seeing is that even Arizona is wimping out , the law on the books that has been lacking in this whole debate is that ANYBODY AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON CAN BE ASK FOR PAPERS. You have la raza , mecha , lulac and a hundred others screaming its racial and not a matter of law enforcement, they believe that if your hispanic you should be immune from all US laws. You have the churches and unions screaming full tilt in favor of the illegals Our govt from the Pres on down are in full defense of the illegals I believe that all of them are traitors to this country. I still believe that until we call the problem what it is , we don't have a chance of fixing it. We just keep kowtowing to PC and remain scared of our own shadows ,scared of being called racist , scared of public perception (when 70% of the public agree with us) If a gang of grey haired grannies are robbing banks , you profile grannies If 12 million illegal hispanics are breaking your immigration laws , YOU PROFILE THE DAMN HISPANICS Am I wrong? |
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No, you're not wrong about anything you said except possibly for the part about a judge permanently striking down the law. I think that even if that were tried the decision would be appealed, except in this case you wouldn't have the governor of the state dropping the appeal as Gray Davis did with Proposition 187 in California. And I believe what you meant about a law requiring anyone to have to show papers at any time is that the law already exists. If that's not what you meant please correct me, because I may not have understood you correctly. The Arizona law only mirrors existing federal law and in fact doesn't even go as far in its intrusiveness, but very few people seem to know that. And I certainly do agree with you about how many of us are limiting our efforts by being afraid of being called racist, fascist, neo-Nazis, etc. In the public perception there's a very thin line between enforcing the law and being a police state.
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OPEN BORDERS AND MASS AMNESTY Ich Bin Ein Arizonan! "I entirely reject the concept, however, of "anchor babies." If parents are found to be here illegally, then the whole family, children as well, should be sent back to the parents' country of origin." Last edited by LAPhil; 05-30-2010 at 11:11 AM. |
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Yes. Your simplistic answer leaves out illegals from Ireland, Haiti, China, etc. The Homeland security people, or any governmental agency is not allowed to focus on a race when applying the law. Thankfully you're not in a position to design criteria for law enforcement, else I might be sitting in jail or along the roadside 'splainin' myself instead of conducting billboard events, protests, or rallies. |
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As I understand it, the only argument which could be successful against the Arizona immigration law is whether immigration enforcement is the sole domain of the Federal government, as is printing money and the like.
With all the precedent of the states cooperating with the Federal government concerning immigration, it would have to be a question of whether enforcement cooperation is merely permitted by the feds or whether the states have the self governmental right to enforce mirrored Federal law.
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show. |
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In the matter of immigration law, the government has chosen not to enforce. For example, the executive employee at ICE coming out on record that ICE won't process illegal aliens Arizona detains. After I heard that, I made it clear to my elected representatives that if a government employee refuses to do his job, it is insubordination and that person needs to be fired. I also made it clear that that if elected officials had no interest in seeing to it that government employees do the job they were hired to do, there was no real reason for those officials to continue with federal employment as well. They can't keep the lid on the immigration issue much longer, and however it is resolved it's my belief that there will be quite a few formerly secure politicians unhorsed over the couple of elections over the issue.
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show. |
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It will be interesting to see what happens in court. |
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It is a simple answer , It will remain ON ICE , in Limbo and unenforced , the first lib judge will render it moot until appeal Any guesses on how many YEARS it will take this to get to the SC ? If an appeals court (9th) doesn't strike it down first |
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Yes , there are illegals from all over the world , but how many of them are marching in our streets with their national flags , demanding , screaming , and speaking their home language ? One plugs the biggest hole first I saw an interview with Luis Gut and Jd today , Luis kept spouting about going after the employers. Ok , and the first time an employer questions someones "fake" id they get slammed with a discrimination suit , Also it was the Dems if I recall (Bennie Thompson) and his ilk that screamed about sending out the SS no match letters. Worksite raids? Of course they work , but they are a thing of the past , at least as long as DumbBomba is in office. I've been "profiled" "id'd" and let go when my papers were found to be in order and I had no wants or warrants. If a hispanic , asian , martian or someone from lower Slobovia has legal Id then whats the problem with being ask? Asking for Id is in no way close to what happened in Nazi Germany , heck , its not even close to what they do in mexico No my friend , Do not chastise me for rendering the simple solution , the simple answer. Get rid of a few million by letting them know the jig is up , the rest will follow |
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