Stop the California BAN!

[1inchgroup]

Hey Twoller,

Yeah, the vaporizers for pot have been around for years. Mostly made from a soldering iron and some blown glass.

You need almost twice the heat that the e-cig provides to even have a chance of using it for other than nicotine. THC boiling point is around 200C. So the drug use point is moot too.

This is about taxes and control...nothing else.

Even without a formal years-long study....it's pretty simple to see. Nicotine comprises less than 1% of a cigarette. E-cig users are cutting out 99% of the garbage...and just getting the nicotine (along with flavorings and PG). BTW: PG is a current ingredient in smoking tobacco, used to keep things at the proper moisture content....so it's not like smokers aren't already exposing themselves to it. PG is in my asthma inhaler as well....been using that for years.

Inhaled PG (propylene glycol...that stuff that makes fog in the fog machines) has been shown to have some beneficial properties as well...

They just want to stuff all of them in a box and put them in the warehouse along with the pee powered engine and my jetpack.

[Twoller]

I don't see where banning this stuff is justified. It's expensive, fussy and requires alot of accessories. It looks like it needs a little skill to operate. It has absolutely no chance of competing with the simple primitive reflexes that seem to take over when tobacco users are lighting up a cigarette.

[1inchgroup]

Fussy? Absolutely
Accessories? Absolutely

Expensive? Eh....not so much. The initial hardware, yeah I see where you're going with that. Considering a carton of smokes is upwards of 50 bucks...you can get a starter kit and a bottle of juice for about the same price. After that, you're good to go at about a tenth of the price. 4.75 / carton equivalent.

Putting the parts together takes up some of the "fiddling" that you're mentioning...blowing out smoke, etc. They're a very effective digital simulation.

I've sent my letters out, and still haven't received the form letter responses...maybe this is the first time these reps have been hammered by piles of email.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by 1inchgroup

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Expensive? Eh....not so much. The initial hardware, yeah I see where you're going with that. Considering a carton of smokes is upwards of 50 bucks...you can get a starter kit and a bottle of juice for about the same price. After that, you're good to go at about a tenth of the price. 4.75 / carton equivalent.

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But at this point the e-cigarette is not taxed. And it appears to exist under the cover of being a cessation aid, which might prevent it from being taxed. Are patches and gum taxed?

[1inchgroup]

I don't know if the state gets "tobacco tax" revenue from the gums and patches...I would assume there's some nice little deal in there for everyone involved though. Last time I checked a box of gum was nearly 60 bucks.

[1inchgroup]

I gotta post an update today....and give a hearty thank you to all those that wrote in and spoke their minds.

The California Bill has been altered to only prohibit sales to minors. I'm a nicotine addict...and I hated every second I was tied to cigarettes. The last thing I'd want to do as a retailer of these products is sell them to minors. I prefer the emails from ex-smokers telling me how much better they can breathe...they don't stink...their wives aren't yelling at them to go outside any more...

Valley Vapor does not sell to minors, didn't need a law telling me not to....but I'm more than happy to support this new law.

In true California style....they added a piece to the middle of the bill. Has nothing to do with anything...but it's now law too.

No electronic cigarette sales to minors, AND, if you engage in human cloning, your business license will be taken away by the state.

Um. Ok.

THANK YOU!!!!!