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State Legislature Working To Allow Non-Citizens To Serve On Jury
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This is a big deal. The state assembly passed a bill that will bring non-citizens into the Jury pools in all courts. This is a direct assault on state citizen sovereignty. It would allow foreign citizens to sit in judgement of all native born. I'm still mired in a work project, but this one we have to fight hard on http://leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/bill...d_asm_v98.html |
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I just read the bill and it specifically exempts persons who are not lawfully present immigrants or citizens of the United
States as potential trial jurors. I don't have a big problem with non-citizens serving a jury, as long as they're legal residents.
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OPEN BORDERS AND MASS AMNESTY Ich Bin Ein Arizonan! "I entirely reject the concept, however, of "anchor babies." If parents are found to be here illegally, then the whole family, children as well, should be sent back to the parents' country of origin." Last edited by LAPhil; 04-26-2013 at 09:58 AM. |
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The countries many of those people come from are corrupt and lacking in democratic values, even whole different thought processes are involved. Are you willing to have a jury comprised of newly arrived people from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the Saharan African countries sit in judgement of the surviving Boston bombing suspect, a legal immigrant from Chechnya? How about cases in which the Mexican government has an interest in, want a bunch of Mexican nationals weighing in on the outcome? Juries are selected from voter registration lists, so when they can sit on juries, the slippery slope will be "why not let them vote as well?" So the value of American citizenship is diminished with every tiny little bite. The people who come up with this crap hate our country and are seeking to change it into something else by turning us into "citizens of the world". Think about it.
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OPEN BORDERS AND MASS AMNESTY Ich Bin Ein Arizonan! "I entirely reject the concept, however, of "anchor babies." If parents are found to be here illegally, then the whole family, children as well, should be sent back to the parents' country of origin." Last edited by LAPhil; 04-26-2013 at 12:29 PM. |
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None. There is no other nation which practices the generosity, goodwill, and tolerance for foreigners as we do. We roll out the welcome mat for people who hate us and give them low or no cost business loans or provide them with social services both not ordinarily available to citizens and overlook faults for which a citizen would be crucified, and it's killing who we are and negating what we have been. And not for the better. If you're not a citizen, you don't vote and you don't serve on juries. To address your contention that malevolence or bias will be "sniffed out", my experiences with the legal system leads me to not entirely believe that premise, and how is that to be thoroughly done with the inquisitors dealing with people from unfamiliar cultures? It's not about what is being said so much as what is meant, and what is said in public might not be the same as what is said in close privacy. Furthermore the slippery slope is Quote:
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show. Last edited by ilbegone; 04-26-2013 at 01:35 PM. |
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OPEN BORDERS AND MASS AMNESTY Ich Bin Ein Arizonan! "I entirely reject the concept, however, of "anchor babies." If parents are found to be here illegally, then the whole family, children as well, should be sent back to the parents' country of origin." |
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Phil,
You may not get upset about foreigners sitting in judgement over our citizens, laws, disputes, and further allow them to set precedence, but I am greatly concerned. And yes, the founding fathers would have been concerned with good reason, very similar to the reason Mexico has all the restrictions on foreigners that it does. Furthermore it's a cynical stepping stone to give the vote to people who are newly arrived, legal or not. Just who do new citizens tend to vote for? Those who paved their way - generally Democrats who come up with bills like this.
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show. Last edited by ilbegone; 04-26-2013 at 02:16 PM. |
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Just one more point and then I'll rest my case. I can actually sympathize with a lot of the points you made, but consider this: A non-citizen resident is subject to the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States and if arrested they are entitled to a jury trial like any other resident, citizen or otherwise. A jury is ideally supposed to be composed of the peers of the defendant (which the Founding Fathers did believe in), and who better to fill the role of peer of a non-citizen than another non-citizen?
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OPEN BORDERS AND MASS AMNESTY Ich Bin Ein Arizonan! "I entirely reject the concept, however, of "anchor babies." If parents are found to be here illegally, then the whole family, children as well, should be sent back to the parents' country of origin." |
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Besides, some cultures believe in arranged marriages with the bride being a child while the husband may be a middle aged man. Should a jury in the United States be composed of foreigners who came from the same child bride culture as a foreigner accused of child molestation? But these are all side arguments which detract from the real issue - national sovereignty. To give foreigners the jury box is a big step towards giving foreigners who have no loyalty or sympathy for our country the ballot box.
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show. |
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I don't agree with that at all. Voting is a privilege which is given to us. Jury service isn't a privilege or something people are entitled to, it's something they provide for us at their own expense in many cases, not to mention the inconvenience.
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OPEN BORDERS AND MASS AMNESTY Ich Bin Ein Arizonan! "I entirely reject the concept, however, of "anchor babies." If parents are found to be here illegally, then the whole family, children as well, should be sent back to the parents' country of origin." |
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