Republican establishment turn on Romney

[ilbegone]

I'll make it clear from the outset that there is no one type of "Hispanic" or "Latino" no more than there is no one type of "White" or "Anglo". The American brown racist faction is but one type which seeks to manipulate the many other types to a racial agenda and they have been very successful in the political arena. Not all "Hispanics" or "Latinos" buy into it by any means. Actually, brown racists and white racists are the same people differentiated mostly by skin color, under the skin they are the same people with the same type of racial goals. Neither the Republican nor the Democrat "elites" seem to understand the differences concerning the people termed "Latino" or "Hispanic", both parties deal in stereotypes. One party "organizes" by pandering, the other repels through general ineptitude. Pandering might result in gains during good times, pandering doesn't guarantee loyalty when the chips are down.

Otherwise, you miss the point, when it crashes the concept of either Republican or Democrat parties will be irrelevant.

The French Revolution was not so much about the benign despotism of Louis the 16th as it was in a large part about peasants who disregarded the royal attempt to introduce new crops in a time of climate change. They were starving, they blamed the crown, and radicals took advantage of and hijacked the disturbance. The French Revolution ate its own children and eventually resulted in wholesale European continental death via the Napoleonic wars.

As mighty as Rome was, no dictator could rule without buying off the poor of the City of Rome with bread and entertainment. When the empire finally imploded and barbarians filled the void no one in the Roman Senate at that time mattered.

Jose Angel Gutiererrez in the interview referenced above sees Aztlan established when the US fails through going broke. Whether or not that is a brown racist pipe dream is beside the point, the fact is that Washington of Republicans and Democrats won't matter anymore no regardless of who or what fills the void.

There will be a lot of starving people regardless of whether they were producers or users. Both parties will be blamed for the problem, and otherwise it will be "interesting times".

[Greg in LA]

Ok, I think I'm getting it now. What you are really talking about is economic collapse in the United States and the chaos that will ensue.

Yes Economic collapse is a terrifying possibility. I for one certainly don't want to think about that, but I'm reluctantly slowly starting to prepare. I've started to stock up on canned foods, The rest of the things that I will probably need is expensive so I've been dragging my feet on paying that bill. I'm starting though.

What areas of So. Cal. do you think will be survivable?

I would think LA proper would become a powder keg.

I live in Santa Clarita, and I have a half acre of land, but no well.

Do you think life would be survivable in Santa Clarita for a couple of months?

Are you preparing for economic collapse?

Any advice for people in LA suburbs?

I've loosely been watching Greece and Spain to get an idea of what it might be like. So far it's not as apocalyptic as one might think.

Roosevelt declared a bank holiday, I think it was in 1931. All the banks were ordered closed and nobody had access to any of their money. I think the bank "holiday" lasted for three days. I think it was pretty orderly, people made due, but then again the country was a lot different back then.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Greg in LA

I think it was pretty orderly, people made due, but then again the country was a lot different back then.

Yes it was. Silver money was still plentiful and gold money was still in use and available. Water in rivers and streams was still generally quite usable and accessible. And wild game was plentiful in most areas. But now there would be much more competition for that which would be readily available. Water delivery systems would remain, but the purification might break down, and paper money might become useless. The dependence issue would really shoot to the forefront of a lot of peoples minds, which could be a good thing in the long run. I don't think it would be terribly orderly this time, what with alot of resources being held by too few controlling agents. Food producers could be besieged, and range wars break out. Sidewalk commandos from inner city areas would be struggling over dominance, and police who had previously been stretched past the point of effectiveness in the past would have to consolidate in strongholds, leaving major areas wide open to resident rule.

If you want to prepare, I suggest studying the history of those who lived through the Watts riots, the King revolt, and the northridge earthquakes, and then double or triple the time frame that took to recover to an acceptible pattern of life.

[ilbegone]

What areas of So. Cal. do you think will be survivable?

Southern California south of Tejon Pass and east of the Sierras to the Mexican border and Arizona / Nevada is a desert with the population maintained for the greatest part by imported water accompanied by locally dropping water tables. Agriculture has mostly been paved over or otherwise rendered largely impractical or impossible. Everything is delivered, built or maintained with the use of the internal combustion engine and the electrical grid powers 99% of everything else.

Only about half of US the population pays taxes, I believe almost half of the population receives some sort of government services or assistance and the truly rich can afford to move their wealth, income, and business out of the country.

California has 1/3 of the national welfare burden, of which 1/4 of the California burden is in Los Angeles county. Not much separates the wealthy from the poor except for a short hike up the hill, and welfare communities sit right next to middle class suburbs throughout the state.

Most game animals were displaced or diminished decades ago when the population was a small fraction of today, socal surface water is minimal and to significant degree, polluted.

Connect the dots. It wouldn't make much more sense to hide on the Magic Mountain premises than it would in LA city hall if money becomes either scarce or worthless.

Democrat politicians buy up votes importing people and dispensing social services while Republicans have traditionally garnered support from business interests with cheap imported labor of all sorts (including H1-B) and otherwise catering to business while attracting other votes with all talk and no do concerning illegal migration. It's hard to take away services when a significant portion of the population has become used to it, at that's even when the politicians are halfway sane - which, in California, they're largely a motley collection of lunatics living in a far left, rapid transit train to nowhere parallel dimension. So, nothing meaningful will be done to fix the deficits until money can't be dispensed anymore and by then it will be too late.

The Donner party, without snow to melt for drinking water, comes to mind.


I really hope I'm wrong.

[Greg in LA]

Ilbegone, are you making any plans and preparation? If so what?

The MidWest and the North East United states has water, but if natural gas and petroleum prices spike they're vulnerable, because winters without heat can kill. I see your point though.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Greg in LA

Ilbegone, are you making any plans and preparation? If so what?

The MidWest and the North East United states has water, but if natural gas and petroleum prices spike they're vulnerable, because winters without heat can kill. I see your point though.

There's always wood. We have heated with wood almost exclsively last year, and are heading to be the same this one. We're not at all alone either, as many people in the areas you mentioned use outside wood burners to boil water for heat.
And, no one ever dies when a firewood supply line ruptures

[Rim05]

My, how cheerful you guys are today.
I do not expect 2013 to be great however, I do think we can make some things better by doing what ever we can to help our country.
Right now all I hear is who is doing what to bring the entire US down. I am always trying to think of ways to make it better.

I know what people did during the depression but that will not work again. What was our population in the thirties? About maybe one third of what it is now.
If we all try to use wood, there are so many that even that will run out. Some one stronger will take from the weak. Food? How will you protect it?
Just now I was reading, if you are having your house termited, all the things to do so someone will not come in during that time and rip you off, even though the house is tented.
I can't say how I will fare but I always practice safety and save all I can. I do hope all is not as I am reading here.
I am staying where I am.