Draft Indictment of Chris Simcox, et al. Part I

[usa today]

I actually do know a lot about this issue

But I agree that the ongoing battle is illegal immigration

My take on the whole mess is that until all our factions can get along
and get together , we are fighting a losing battle and the only one that gains is la raza and their goons.

For years I've advocated for a grand counsel made up of all our orgs and
groups, but sadly , I don't see it happening yet.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by usa today

I actually do know a lot about this issue

But I agree that the ongoing battle is illegal immigration

My take on the whole mess is that until all our factions can get along
and get together , we are fighting a losing battle and the only one that gains is la raza and their goons.

For years I've advocated for a grand counsel made up of all our orgs and
groups, but sadly , I don't see it happening yet.

The problem with all of this, and what others have said is that not everyone within actually has the movements interests at heart. We've seen people get in here and say or even act as though they were our messiahs, only to have it proven otherwise, all because someone said "I know otherwise".
Bringout out facts is not always pleasurable work, and I'd encourage everyone to at least listen once and then research for the truth. Just dismissing a persons claims as divisive may just empower another false leader who sells us out after we place our trust. I'm not saying this guys claims are gospel. I'm saying there might be a reason why we are not all united. It may be because several people know something more about some of the people within our ranks than the majority of us would like to believe. It's when we start fearing the facts that we become the problem Simcox is free to dispute what is relayed here, and it should be rather simple. Then the original poster goes down in his own flames.

[wetibbe]

Hi Jim:

For the benefit of my fellow patriots and posters I just want to say that you are the "Good Guy" here.

Speaking only for myself - I am interested in hearing the details of your past and present experience. I followed that episode, as you well know, and we exchanged communications. In addition we basically agreed on virtually every aspect.

I'll say also that prudence can prevail and I think you should avoid any slanderous, libelous input which I am confident you will. Observe board rules and appropriate decorum. Take the high road. To do otherwise will cost you the good will of readers.

I think you deserve restitution and I hope that you will realize some justice eventually. However, as I said in other posts - lesson learned. Once a person donates it is essentially a gift and the giver has little "practical" recourse.

Now on the matter of Patriot groups and Minuteman movements, I have seen time after time, in scores of cases, where the groups eventually come to logger heads, begin to wrangle, argue and disagree and eventually split. It's a foregone conclusion. Just too many Prima Donnas and cantankerous divergent opinions. American Border Patrol is about the only one who is whole, wholesome and intact. He just doesn't partner so there is no-one to argue with. I give Glenn very high marks. Definitely the MVP.

Good Luck:


Bill Tibbe

[usa today]

I agree

Jim is the good guy in this deal

Also that Glenn right now is the premier guy to watch

Simcox is pretty much gone , Gilchrest is a moron , Gheen is a
money grubber hustler ,

I will stick up for Roy Beck though , His org is likely to be the main
point in our upcoming battle to try once again to shut down the traitors in the
senate.

FAIR , to a lessor degree

Its sad , we could have been so much better at one time

[Jim Campbell]

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[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

The problem with all of this, and what others have said is that not everyone within actually has the movements interests at heart. We've seen people get in here and say or even act as though they were our messiahs, only to have it proven otherwise, all because someone said "I know otherwise".
Bringout out facts is not always pleasurable work, and I'd encourage everyone to at least listen once and then research for the truth. Just dismissing a persons claims as divisive may just empower another false leader who sells us out after we place our trust. I'm not saying this guys claims are gospel. I'm saying there might be a reason why we are not all united. It may be because several people know something more about some of the people within our ranks than the majority of us would like to believe. It's when we start fearing the facts that we become the problem Simcox is free to dispute what is relayed here, and it should be rather simple. Then the original poster goes down in his own flames.

I'm not suggesting that there should be censorship of or that there should not be discussion of issues such as the one Mr Campbell has presented.

My concern is potential entanglement and public perceptions as well as former activists who are now distrustful and discouraged with the present state of the movement.

Discussion of unpleasant issues is one thing and may be healthy in the long run, but if it degenerates into a personal battle with the appearance of the organization attacking individuals outside of the organization while bickering about it within the organization, that's another.

There is no perfect person, and some people have more misjudgments and make more mistakes than others.

So long as it doesn't involve megalomania, narcissism, corruption, genuine criminality, or genuine racism, I don't have to like or be in total agreement with another person to work with that individual.

We can look at the negative past history parts of Save Our State: it happened, and there is nothing that can be done to change any of that. We can either move on or we can wallow in the past and accomplish nothing.

Likewise, if other organizations and personalities within those organizations waste time and energy hurling anathemas at one another as well as us, there is not much we can do to change those people or their views.

They do what they do, and we do what we do. And if we can maintain traveling the higher road, perhaps Save Our State can attract those who want a solution to illegal immigration and are willing to contribute but are put off by all the turmoil.

Just my thoughts.