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It is my opinion that in-fighting has caused more harm to what we started some 5 or 6 years ago than anything else. Ego and jealously are the main problems of the past. Also, some of the most active of us have grown older and it is not possible for us to continue. Seems most of our younger simply do not believe things are as bad as we see them to be. I think things are worse than ever and getting worse.
I am willing to listen to anyone who can convince me that I am wrong. |
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I don't think that's true. The repbulicans and democrats have infighting all the time, yet they still live on. I think our problems stem from usual human attention span unless stimulated and supported by large donor bases, media support, and political intervention. I'd allege the illegals would be in our shoes right now had there not been those factors I mentioned.
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Sorry, but I am still not convinced. I will admit that I have never been part of the leader ship but I can see.
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Jim,
I'm sorry, but I'm calling bullshit on you here. The chief has gone way beyond simple economics of his workforce, to politicizing his department policy. I cite: San Jose police officers are looking to greatly improve its frayed relationship with immigrant communities amid allegations of overaggressive policing and racial profiling. Moore, for example, has in his short tenure as chief discontinued a policy in which cars of unlicensed drivers stopped for minor traffic violations were impounded for a month -- a policy many felt unfairly targeted the undocumented Latino community. Quote:
You are a seasoned veteran of the propaganda war, and I'm certain you can see it when you read it. I urge you not to let your anger at Barbara coe blind you to the other enemy. I won't fault you for being skeptical where she's involved. I know there's some history, and I also know she can be quick on the condemnation side. But don't side with the chief when the evidence shows he's more interested in spreading propaganda than he is conveying economic constraints, just because she sees that too. She can be right on this, and still be a jackass on other issues. Quote:
My opinion of Gheen is about the same as Schwilk, but I won't say the same about all of the people that collect around ALIPAC. Good people in the company of a few jackasses doesn't make them all jackasses. Likewise for CCIR people. I'm no goose-stepper, and I've been apologizing to injured people over my association with Nightingale for the same reason. Nightingale's a cockroach. But I still don't side with our opposition just because she's involved. If I have to; I condemn them both at the same time Last edited by Ayatollahgondola; 03-20-2011 at 06:50 PM. |
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Rim05 your contributions in terms of participation and dedication are unquestionable. Believe me I fully understand not being able to go places as often as I used to.
I would hope to have you join us on SOS radio some time. The reason we created it was so that we could gather as a group from our homes over the telephone. I would love to hear what you have to say on SOS radio. |
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"The most counter-productive thing we could do is attack our law enforcement officials and blame them for things they cannot fix. Even if the officers resign in protest, their successors still can do nothing when the federal government continues to interfere with efforts at the local levels to enforce American laws."
Jim there is a world of difference between heads of police like Mr Moore and Sheriff Joe Arpaio. I know that we would all like to see more like Joe Arpaio and none like Moore. I would also like to see you come around more to our side of the issue. It seems of late that you are more on the side of the pro-illegals. I understand compassion but we must unwaveringly stand for what we believe in. This is our land, our country and those who make it easier for illegals to stay dishonor those who gave everything to secure it. |
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Outside perspective.
This is a California thing, and I'm not one. But maybe I can offer some outside perspective from someone who does not have a dog in this fight without sounding like a referee.
Infighting has definitely split up several good groups in my region. Going way back, years, to Farmingville, Long Island. The group leader invited Chris Simcox to speak. About 1/2 were in favor and 1/2 had a thing about Simcox and objected so strenuously that they "walked" splitting the group. It was downhill from there and not long after that the whole organization folded and closed their website. I met Simcox later at another group meeting in New Jersey and I had an uneasy feeling. Although he wasn't implicated two New Jersey groups came to loggerheads and relations cooled to the frigid. In that case a new group, in a different town, was supposed to be a satellite , subordinate, to the main group. Things fell apart when the new group began soliciting donations for themselves. The groups split. Same thing in Connecticut. A group of activists in Darien, in the South, organized and coupled with a group up North in Danbury. The Darien leader performed surveillance of all McDonald's restaurants in Connecticut then printed his report. The Northern group didn't like some aspects and decided to split, which they did. Relations and cooperation cooled to the point on non-cooperation and communication. Of course everyone knows the history of the Simcox Minuteman breakup and demise. On the matter of police and politician attitudes, we here have the Nations champion scofflaw, sanctuary city Mayor. I would like to say that generally police and Mayoral attitudes nationwide follow party lines, Democrats liberal, Republicans conservative. However, this one is variously a Democrat, then a Republican then an Independent, depending on which window of opportunity is open and which path offers the least resistance. Rodney King said: "Can't we all just get along" ? And the answer is no - not on your life. It just isn't the nature of the beast. It's one of Murphy's Laws. If they can find something to argue about and be disagreeable - they will. Last edited by wetibbe; 03-21-2011 at 06:11 AM. |
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