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SOS Management and Operation Discussion Questions and answers about the management and operation of Save Our State. |
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I swear! after reading the growlings of Gheen, Schwilk, and Nightingale, I often wonder if the three of them aren't brushing their teeth with gunpowder |
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It is obvious that you are on someone's mind.
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Jean, I really have to wonder about you. What on Earth were you thinking? Why would you go to the trouble of trying to convince or persuade William Gheen about our pious motives or Davi's purity ... or much of anything for that matter? What is the purpose of entangling us in the brain dead slander-fest featuring Jim Gilchrist, Shawna Forde, Chelene Nightingale, Jeff Schwilk and (less frequently, but no less passionately) Tony Genovese, Glen Spencer and ALIPAC?
Let's say you had been successful. So what? What would have been accomplished? How does much of what ALIPAC does impact protests or anything else we decide to stage? And, of course, the idea that rational points or injections of facts were going to win the day in this bitter ego festival that has been befouling border security efforts for over a year ... Sweet Jesus, Jean. Use the brain God gave you. That's exactly what we want to do, right? Let's pull a Nightingale. Let's just inject the entire organization into this trailer-park caliber turf war with no benefit accruing to any party. That was just an exercise in getting nothing accomplished that could only have downside. Last edited by DerailAmnesty.com; 11-19-2009 at 10:29 PM. |
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Last edited by Jeanfromfillmore; 11-19-2009 at 11:59 PM. |
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One thing that we should remember is not to fall into the same hole that injured SOS's ability to attract and keep good activists to attend events and associate with. We will not banish people for their other associations, nor should we speak ill of them because they have alliances and relationships with others. Everyone is welcome here within the corporate guidelines and agenda, and is willing to follow the written forum rules. This would include Schwilk, Gheen, Mike Williams, and even, well.....
My email had one narrowly tapered purpose that was aimed at re-assuring victims of the earlier regime at SOS that they were not going to face the same fate at the hands of the same executioner if they attempted to place faith in the name of this organization again. It was solely the actions of one individual I was refuting and repudiating, although there were a few of us that participated at that persons behest too. It is not about Nightingales candidacy, her friends, or her other associations. Just what she did here that drove people away from SOS. I guess it was to be expected that some would circle their wagons around her for thier own reasons. I don't see any good purpose in provoking them and thereby creating animosity within our own organization due to allegiances others have there in tandem. Gheen pretty much already told me I wasn't welcome within his ranks because I objected to his assault on Glenn Spencer a few months ago. No single person has to suffer over my individual actions unless he makes that so. If you want to continue with ALIPAC and Gheen, you certainly have my blessing, for whatever that's worth anyway, and no harm in any sense of the word will come from me or this corporation over your other associations. Same applies to SDMM, SOCALPatriots, CCIR, MMP, or any other groups or organizations that share common goals. All that said, This corporation and this organization is allowed to keep its' own house in order. Along with keeping spam advertisers, hitlerian fanatics, and pornographic posters from limiting our audience goes our right to advertise to the general public that we have changed our management and why. Other people can certainly voice an opinion on that issue, but I don't see any benefit to them engaging in an "us vs them" program over our internal management. |
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Jean, I certainly could not have said what you said any better and I concur with all that you've written. You tried and now you have a clear conscience. That's all you can do. Thanks.
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Additionally, I suppose that a key question for anyone visiting and reading these post would be to ask themselves SERIOUSLY: Is EVERYONE here lying???
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You miss the entire point(s). 1. There is little or nothing to be gained by settling this. What William Gheen or Jeff Schwilk loudly proclaim has practically no impact on anything we do. 2. If you've followed the path of this moronic squabble (Gheen/Nightingale, et al. v. Gilchrist/Spencer) you realize that reasoned points will never change anyone's mind. 3. By posting your writings on this website, and the accompanying responses, you are successfully A) Giving importance and credibility to the debate, and B) dragging this fledgling organization directly into the middle of the conflict in the same fashion as did Chelene Nightingale. Jean, I like you, I think you're far from stupid or a drama queen, but that rates up there with some of the most boneheaded moves I have seen in the past few years. I cannot imagine what possessed you to pursue this stupid argument, and in such a public fashion that included in Save Our State. There was nothing to be accomplished by what you attempted, and could more likely result in the same divisions among our membership that tore apart some of the organization we are trying to rebuild. Dumb, dumb, dumb. I was really astounded by what you posted. |
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I don't agree DA,
SOS has made it clear we are allowing the discussions of intergroup issues, and I think she was making her views known among them. It takes a bit of courage to go against the grain like that, and personally I don't understand your condemnation. Certainly don't support it. But it is your opinion, so I guess we'll see how others feel too. |
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I am sick of everyone bagging on each other. We should have but one purpose. We, here at SOS.info better stick together or we will not climb out of the crib. The old forces are trying to kill us before we ever get started. They are reading and emailing everything we post here. They are worse than LaRaza and the Invaders. I have wondered what happened to WG but I will not worry about him. I will say another thing, I see people say things about Joe Turner and it really bothers me because I still like Joe a lot. He did give me a place to protest until the leader ship got hot britches. He must have had his reasons for what ever he did just as I do now.
I really hope all this can stop. |
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