White Nationalist Alert

[ilbegone]

I'm not sure about all this, I think our "immigration" situation over the last thirty years is more of an economic nature rather than a replacement problem.

As in the old model of subsistence farmers, there has to be enough of a younger population to support the elderly, but I don't believe it would be at such a high rate of young to old.

What I saw in the 80's was not due to a lack of able bodied and skilled workers, but a recession recovery in America and a small Mexican middle class essentially wiped out by a necessary devaluation of the Peso after the oil industry crisis in the early 80's. American employers took advantage of the situation by hiring illegal foreigners for pennies on the dollar. Word got out, and the third world flood began.

One of the problems with the way our economy is set up is that if a locality or region isn't growing, it's dying. Hence all the housing boom fueled in part by all those people coming here in such a great mass, "white flight" from overpopulated cities increasingly packed with foreigners, the notion of a house being an investment/ATM rather than a home, and artificial inflation of real estate values. Then the inevitable collapse.

As well as the fact that we can pave over only so much farmland before the population becomes unsustainable.

Currently we do have quite a number of older people who aren't quite done with their working lives who are unemployed while a stroll through town will find all sorts of jobs filled with people who shouldn't be here in the first place and wouldn't be if the government had enforced the 1986 immigration/amnesty law. I know people of all ages who have been out of work for a couple of years who would do those jobs.

I believe our situation at this time is more about who gets the money, or perhaps who gets a bigger cut than an aging population, and it's in the interest of "got mine" Republican party backed business to have a excess of people competing for jobs, as well as a Democratic party "leadership" blindly seeking a constituency.

Regardless of how many citizens lose their homes or people in their fifties who end up sleeping on their PARENT'S couch.

Importing people while exporting jobs as well as shoveling all our capital to China just isn't going to work, and either people in Congress are too stupid to see it, or they just don't friggin' care.

[ohighlass]

I heard something last week that farmers in No Cal were offering picking jobs to anyone unemployed due to the recession. Odd, I say, that illegals have "moved" (or taken over, if you will) into construction and blue collar jobs like trucking; only to have dispossed Americans offered the jobs that THEY NO LONGER WILL DO. Something's wrong with this picture. I remember when those jobs required apprenticeships and memberships into unions that actually cared about their people - not just the money from the dues.

Maybe this is the wrong thread as it has nothing to do with white nationalists, really.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by ohighlass

Maybe this is the wrong thread as it has nothing to do with white nationalists, really.

It did in the beginning, then evolved into a couple of other discussions...

[wetibbe]

Just to expound on my attitude:

The USA is rushing to the brink of the cliff with immigration. It is absolutely a lunatic, self destruction.

I would like to see ALL immigration halted immediately both legal and illegal until we see some semblance of common sense.

Furthermore I would like to see a reduction in US population little by little. But I am a realist, not an ideologue.

The "system" is structured to increase, build more homes, make more cars, increase, proliferate, make more money .........................................

The consequences of a reduction in population are already understood. Disaster!

Thus we are on a Nantucket sleigh ride. The politician, the businessmen will want more and more.

I could expound on the dilemma but it would fall on deaf ears. It takes people with insight and vision to understand that we, as a people, are bent on destroying our planet in the coming decades.

The species Homo Sapiens could certainly become extinct. And there are too few who really understand.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

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The consequences of a reduction in population are already understood. Disaster!

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I could expound on the dilemma but it would fall on deaf ears. It takes people with insight and vision to understand that we, as a people, are bent on destroying our planet in the coming decades.

The species Homo Sapiens could certainly become extinct. And there are too few who really understand.

Is this a misprint? "The consequences of a reduction in population are already understood. Disaster!" Or explain what you mean by that.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Twoller

Is this a misprint? "The consequences of a reduction in population are already understood. Disaster!" Or explain what you mean by that.

I believe he's speaking of implosion, a collapse of society and all that maintains it if the forward momentum of growth in population, productivity, and profit isn't maintained.

Depleted of energy, the star falls in on itself.

There will eventually be an end to it, the question is not if - it is when.

[wetibbe]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

I believe he's speaking of implosion, a collapse of society and all that maintains it if the forward momentum of growth in population, productivity, and profit isn't maintained.

Depleted of energy, the star falls in on itself.

There will eventually be an end to it, the question is not if - it is when.

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Exactly precise

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

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Furthermore I would like to see a reduction in US population little by little. But I am a realist, not an ideologue.

The "system" is structured to increase, build more homes, make more cars, increase, proliferate, make more money .........................................

The consequences of a reduction in population are already understood. Disaster!

...

So, you would like to see a reduction in US population, but you think the consequences of a reduction in population are "already understood" to be a disaster.

If you would like to see a reduction in US population, then you at least agree that the US population, at least, should be stabilized at some fixed number. How many fewer people should the US have and what about the rest of the world?

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Twoller

So, you would like to see a reduction in US population, but you think the consequences of a reduction in population are "already understood" to be a disaster.

If you would like to see a reduction in US population, then you at least agree that the US population, at least, should be stabilized at some fixed number. How many fewer people should the US have and what about the rest of the world?

Not speaking for wetibbe...

Prosperity of a nation concerning conventional economics and regardless of individual prosperity is based on viable trade and ursury, not cutting back a population.

All of that is in one way or another dependent on traditional growth.

What we need is a viable economic model which doesn't depend on traditional growth for prosperity, something which brings in wealth from the outside and in which every citizen participating in a meaningful manner gets a cut.

And recycled 1960's social theory doesn't cut it.

[wetibbe]

Originally Posted by Twoller

So, you would like to see a reduction in US population, but you think the consequences of a reduction in population are "already understood" to be a disaster.

If you would like to see a reduction in US population, then you at least agree that the US population, at least, should be stabilized at some fixed number. How many fewer people should the US have and what about the rest of the world?

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According to environmental report I read many years ago, from a biological, environmental standpoint the land mass of the USA should accommodate 50 million.

Remember that I spent a lifetime in Earth History and I am an aficionado of archaeology. In my area of discipline I think in terms of hundreds of millions of years, geology, evolution and the development of the primates including the predecessors of the Neanderthals and Cro-magnons.

The Europeans didn't even know that North America existed in the early 1,500's. Williamsburg, Virginia may have been an early attempt to populate but Plymouth, Massachusetts was the first successful colony in 1620. Then it was a few hundred, then hundreds of thousands, then millions and then hundreds of millions.

I would like to see over 100 million disappear over time. The USA could deal with 100 to 150 million. *( From an environmental standpoint, but that's absolutely impossible to achieve, ever, without some dramatic changes in politics, economy and lifestyle ). Indeed even from the national security aspect our standing Army would be to small to cope with the massive increases in China, with the Muslims and other adversaries.

I lived overseas for more than 14 years on several continents. I saw how they "live" - exist. The world is very seriously overpopulated now.

Here is Roy Becks explanation in gumballs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ