Conduct Issues At Events

[Ayatollahgondola]

As an aside here:

If anyone wants to contribute to all or part of a "Standards of Conduct" Section, email or PM it to me. It would be best to have a basic outline posted before we open it up to critique in a thread

[Rim05]

I realized long ago that the best way to stop Naui is to ignore him. When he used to run up to me and say "Say what do you think about"?........, my stock answer was "Get Lost". It worked like magic.
As far as enjoying his spray misery, I did not see what started it but I enjoyed every minute of it. I did use my flag to block his annoying face from view. I think that was kinder than spraying him although I don't care what happens to the little germ.

[Rim05]

Phil, I must say you are starting to sound like a 'Bleeding Heart' and that is what has brought us to where we are today. Once I actually had someone tell me not to kill a 'SNAIL'. That is the truth.

[PochoPatriot]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

No you're wrong. It is not "entirely something over which we have control." We can never totally control a situation, but we can try. Do you remember when you were arrested in Maywood? Did you have control over that situation? We can work on getting the message out and trying to control some aspects, but we will never entirely have control. There will always be some aspect, whether it is the opposition or those among us, that we will not have complete control.

And I might add that the oppositions reaction often hinges on their belief that we will not respond to them with any type of force.

I know that you were discussing the Naui video, but the subject of the pepper spray was also in response to Nauis antics. I do agree with you that the best way to handle Naui and his side kick is to completely ignore them. But we will always have newbees that will want to vent and unfortunately do it in front of Naui. He is paid to do what he does, and all they do is become actors in his little docudrama.

I have always been of the opinion that there should be a couple of spokespersons at events that attendees can direct these vermin to. These spokespeople should have experience with these vermin, and not give them the time of day.

[DerailAmnesty.com]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

No you're wrong. It is not "entirely something over which we have control." We can never totally control a situation, but we can try. Do you remember when you were arrested in Maywood? Did you have control over that situation?

Jean, you have succeeded in refuting an assertion I never made. We do not have complete control of events in life, but we have complete control of what Naui is able to film at our protests. We set the scene and provide the players, the dialogue and the responses to his dumb questions and antics.

Every time people with whom we protest are voluntarily acting stupidly and coming off like angry blowhards (and occasionally loons). Every time.

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And everyone please give Phil a break. Not enjoying seeing people suffer is hardly a vice and it certainly doesn't equate to someone supporting illegal immigration or being untrustworthy. What's the matter with you guys?

[Jeanfromfillmore]

We all have our point of views, and Phil is certainly entitled to have his. Naui is somewhat of a sore spot with many of us and thus seeing the video has given many of us great pleasure. Just seeing him get his turn at being uncomfortable seemed justified. But Phil if we lived in a perfect world no one would be harmed and everyone would walk away feeling their voice had been heard. But Naui distorts such things, knowing full and well that he's being deceitful. So I'm sure you can see everyone's justification of enjoying a little payback.

Naui tries to make us look like fools, which isn't hard to do when you edit the video. Sam is correct in stating the best thing to do is ignore him. I have tried to tell others that, but I too am guilty of paying too much attention to Naui in the past. It's hard not to let him get you angry. But as was suggested by someone today, Naui is like a mascot that follows us around. He's paid to do it and it is our job to make sure he doesn't get his moneys worth.

We're working on establishing some guidelines and hopefully they'll be followed and explained to any newbees in language they will understand. We shouldn't have a problem with our seasoned members, but those just showing up at a rally won't have the experience and my just want to bite Naui's head off. We must work on that when it arrives.

[Eagle1]

Whatever rules you folks put together should be tethered to the reality
that we subject ourselves to at these rallies.

Personally I feel very safe when in the company of people like myself that have a willingness to tear sombodies ass off and hand it to them if they get physical.

If the opposition thinks that you are weak then they will play on it to either run you off or damage you emotionally.

A good snarl is a good way of telling an opponent that he or she should back off.

Members of the opposition have physically assaulted patriotic Americans many times over the years. Kele's case is just one example of what animals these people can be.

As for "Mr Pepper Spray", he courted it, got it, and deserved it.
I have spoken to a number of folks that have caught this pos slicing tires.

He also played on the event as if he were a victim. One of the lousiest actors I have ever seen.

As for his present state of being he is just as retarded as the day his momma
dropped him on his head because she didn't want to hear his whinning.

What is completely wrong is to create a relationship with this creature and it has already occured. The relationship is that of willing victim and abuser.

I would agree that not speaking to this pos and not saying anything to him is a good start.

We can have a great time if we have sensible procedures that allow us to arrive, protest, and depart safely without seeing the inside of a hospital room or a jail cell.

We must have a plan for dealing with anything that happens.

As for keeping it together, well that is a little hard to do when people are threatening and such. If we recognize individual freedom then we must agree
upon what limits we voluntarily place on ourselves and suggest to others, never dictate to them, how they should handle certain situations and why.

It is wise to anticipate that given the status of our country and the frustration experienced by folks on both sides of the issue we may just see some violence coming our way at a rally.

So far there was the brawl between the Neo Nazis and Brown Berets in California, and a short time later we hear of the fistfight between ANSWER and the Florida Minutemen.

Its alright to be nice if you're tough enough to kick some serious ass!

[DerailAmnesty.com]

For those of you who really despise the little racist, think about this ...

He's uncomfortable every day of his life in this country (his home), and that's sad. Based upon what has been put in front of us, it is obvious he has little formal education and only enjoys the company of people well outside the mainstream of American thought and opinion. The bitterness and resentment he manifests with this Indigenous Uber Alles mantra he spews betokens what haunts most aggressive racists who make their beliefs about racial separatism the focus of their lives - a considerable sense of inferiority or lack of success in contemporary life.

A Question: What is less likely to happen during our lifetimes than 12 million plus illegal aliens being forcibly removed from the U.S. by the government? Answer: All the white folks going back to Europe.

Guys, try to keep it in perspective with him. He's practically nothing and hardly worth the fury he seems to generate.

[jinx]

I think the guys handled things very well when we were attacked after Maywood 2.

[Eagle1]

Originally Posted by DerailAmnesty.com

For those of you who really despise the little racist, think about this ...

He's uncomfortable every day of his life in this country (his home), and that's sad. Based upon what has been put in front of us, it is obvious he has little formal education and only enjoys the company of people well outside the mainstream of American thought and opinion. The bitterness and resentment he manifests with this Indigenous Uber Alles mantra he spews betokens what haunts most aggressive racists who make their beliefs about racial separatism the focus of their lives - a considerable sense of inferiority or lack of success in contemporary life.

A Question: What is less likely to happen during our lifetimes than 12 million plus illegal aliens being forcibly removed from the U.S. by the government? Answer: All the white folks going back to Europe.

Guys, try to keep it in perspective with him. He's practically nothing and hardly worth the fury he seems to generate.

I agree with what you have said here yet when a fly continuously pesters you what happens to the fly? At the very least it gets cursed at usually followed by an attempt to swat the thing. Never mind that they only live about three days...they create hell on earth for all three of those days.

Just one look and a couple of interactions with "Mr Pepper Spray" and one wonders who feeds him and helps him with his daily toilet rituals. Really, he is a prime example of pathetic and for that very reason the enemies of America have hired him....... because they consider him to be a complete throw away.

I hear that he is one of five quintuplets. Upon delivering each one the doctor in order to keep count said, "here's A, here's B, here's C, here's D,
and NOW E".