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Phil,

They all pander. Newt Gengrich is a great example of one very out of touch, very ignorant panderer.

The fact is, even with the focus being on criminal aliens (the crime of illegally crossing the border is conveniently forgotten), Obama has deported more illegals since at least the depression. The pro illegal want none departed, others feel the economic pressure on jobs due to American employers hiring illegals - don't appreciate the illegal influx at all. Some have a great dislike of illegals due to Mexican prejudice against the American born, but quite a few of those old enough to remember the days before civil rights (might even occasionally still listen to Los Panchos and Jose Alfredo Jimenez) have memories which might not want to "go along" with what they might perceive as a "white" agenda.

Then you have all the ignorant kids who somehow think that they have experienced genuine white prejudice of the '50's but have only been around for 20 or 30 years, some might not have much real life experience beyond school. They're gullible and easily brainwashed, like the fifth generation kid who babbles all that stuff about how Mexican he is and "our beautiful Mexican culture" in high school Spanish - all the while with a group of campesinos mocking him in Mexican Spanish he doesn't understand and flipping him the Mexican bird he's never seen before as they walk away.

Cubans and their descendants don't care at all about Chicano crap, except maybe for what the kids are brainwashed into at school.

Puerto Rican nationalism isn't impressed by Mexican governmental encouragement of illegal immigration to the US or brown American racist support of it, and the Portugese and their descendants on the east coast would much rather eat a nice quiet bowl of caldo verde than listen to UCR ethnic studies professor Armando Navarro rant about Aztlan.

Guatemalans are to Mexico what Mexicans are to the US, Central Americans in the San Fernando Valley fret about their children being Mexicanized in California schools.

Those from Argentina have little in common with the rest - except for a shared colonial master, their history and identity is not the same as Mexico. Argentina has quite a bit of trouble with illegal immigration from Bolivia, would a legal immigrant from Argentina really give a crap about illegal Mexicans in the US?

But, Mexican descended "Latino activists" have self appointed themselves to speak for all, and associate justice Sonia Sotomayor is an idiot who thinks her Puerto Rican ancestry while growing up in New York city equates her with every mestizo woman of every age bracket in California - American or foreign born, doesn't matter.

One big happy Latino family? Hardly.