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You would not have heard this out of the media last year, it's a lot of what I've been saying over the years:

For jobless Latinos, illegal immigration can be a sore point

By Matt O'Brien

Bay Area News Group

10/30/2010

SAN LEANDRO -- Javier Gonzalez believes he would have a job today were it not for illegal immigration.

"I think that illegal immigrants do take jobs away from native workers, especially out here in the Bay Area," said the 43-year-old son of Mexican immigrants. "I'm unemployed, but I shouldn't have to be. I'm from the area. I was born here, and I can't get a job here."

For the jobless, especially those who work in the trades, the thought of competing against an illegal work force of undocumented immigrants can be a sore point. Labor market economists have long differed about whether such fears are grounded in reality.

But a study released Friday by the Pew Hispanic Center adds fuel to the fire, finding that as the economy slowly recovers, foreign-born workers are taking up jobs faster than their native-born counterparts. Immigrants, both legal and illegal, have gained 656,000 jobs since June 2009, the month that federal economists consider to be the end of the Great Recession. Native-born workers lost 1.2 million jobs in the same period of economic recovery, according to the report.

"There are some reasonable explanations," said Rakesh Kochhar, associate research director of the nonpartisan think tank. "I think the main one would be that the recession started earlier for foreign-born workers. They were hit hard earlier in the recession. Now, it seems they are bouncing back quicker."

The study does not distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants because such data is not available, but unauthorized workers are undoubtedly a big part of the picture, Kochhar said.

Immigrants who come to the United States with limited job skills and educational backgrounds are typically the most vulnerable when there are volatile changes in the job market, he said. They also, however, tend to be more flexible in a bad economic environment, willing to move from one region or occupation to another.

"They are more sensitive to the business cycle," Kochhar said. "They get hit harder, but they bounce back sooner."

Because they are denied unemployment insurance [-> Untrue in California <-], undocumented workers are also more desperate to take whatever job they can find, even if the work is sporadic and earns them a low wage. The study found that though immigrants found more jobs in the past year, they were not doing much better financially -- the median weekly earnings of immigrants has dropped 4.5 percent since summer 2009 while remaining relatively steady for U.S.-born workers.

Several variables affected the results, including the loss of thousands of temporary census jobs in the spring and summer. This disproportionately affected U.S.-born workers because illegal immigrants are disqualified from jobs in the federal government.

The stagnant construction industry accounted for more than half the 1.2 million jobs lost by native-born workers. It was also the sector that saw the starkest difference between foreign-born and U.S.-born workers, especially among those who identify themselves as Latino.

Latino immigrants gained 98,000 construction jobs from 2009 to 2010, but Latinos who were born in the United States lost 133,000 construction jobs in the same period, along with 92,000 jobs in transportation, warehousing, wholesale and retail trade.


The study may help confirm and challenge beliefs of those who hold strong views on immigration, but Kochhar cautioned against drawing easy conclusions.

"There are so many things, really, that we don't know," he said.

Born in San Francisco, the unemployed Gonzalez attended community college to obtain a communication degree, paying out of his own pocket, but couldn't find a job in that field. His father was a migrant farmworker who moved to California from Mexico in the 1950s, though Gonzalez is not sure how he was able to get in.

"He's never really given me the exact story, the details of what path he took," Gonzalez said.

The majority of his American family members went into municipal trash collection. Gonzalez has also spent years working in labor-intensive jobs, but today finds most of those positions unavailable. He considers illegal immigration a chief culprit, though he says finding a constructive solution is difficult.

Gonzalez is not alone in his thinking. Another study released by the Pew Hispanic Center on Thursday found that Latinos, though traditionally sympathetic to the challenges faced by illegal immigrants, have increasingly mixed feelings about the issue.

The national survey of about 1,400 Latino adults found that just 29 percent felt that illegal or undocumented immigration had a positive impact on Latinos already living in the United States. In contrast, half of those who took a similar survey three years ago said the impact of illegal immigrants was positive.

Still, as a Mexican-American who does not support giving illegal immigrants a chance to become citizens, Gonzalez remains in the minority: 86 percent of Latinos, including 82 percent of U.S.-born Latinos, support providing a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants if they pay a fine, pass background checks and have jobs, according to the same Pew report.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_16463577

Read the Pew Hispanic Center report at www.pewhispanic.org.

By and large, American employers discriminate against Americans, regardless of ancestry. The justifications by business are many.

What is a comfortable conviction when times are easier might involve a change of mind when the personal pocketbook is concerned as far as a view concerning illegal immigration.

I know a number of Latinos who do not like illegal immigration, and not all of them are old fart "vendidos" and they do include first generation born in America with Mexican parentage.

And not all support "the path to citizenship", I believe that figure is lower. I believe the 82% figure of the American born is derived by both the way poll questions on the subject were asked and respondents who have close relatives who are illegal.

There have been illegals who collect unemployment under one name while working under another, and a period of genuine unemployment doesn't change the fact that California doesn't check the legal status of welfare check recipients. A person receiving welfare checks from the State of California certifies by signature and I believe under penalty of perjury that the recipient is of legal status.