And eventually the government will own everything is what I'm thinking.

OK you got it friends
 

This website is unique in that everyone seems to get along with an absence of the usual haranguing, confrontations, acrimony and fisticuffs. So I'll attenuate bashing Obama as apparently desired. Personally I don't like it either.

As to introducing racism, I will say that I think there is actually an element of racism in Obama care. Normally I am skeptical of conspiracy theories but in this instance there is a super abundance of theories about Black Liberation Theology. But since my colleagues don't want to pursue it I will drop it here in deference.
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Side board:

Over the Christmas holidays I was with my grandsons and granddaughters. Since I am an advanced senior citizen they are up in their 20's and 30's, with families/children. Deplorably ALL of them have been adversely affected by Obama care - very adversely and costly. Not a single one nor any other family or friends have been favorably benefitted. All are suffering horrendous cost increases

* One Grandson works for a subsidiary of Boeing in space and communications technology including military. His health insurance was cancelled and supplemented. It resulted in significantly incased premiums, and modified co - pay and deductibles which he says it nothing like before and much more costly.

* One granddaughter works for a major law firm in West Palm Beach, Florida. Her boss told her he was waiting to see. But they may cancel health coverage and give employees a compensatory sum to shop around independently for insurance. In other words cut them loose and leave them on their own.

Two grandsons are #1 in college so his Dad takes care of it. And #2 is in serious financial straits at 25 years of age and struggling. He cannot afford insurance.

MY son work as a mortgage broker in one of the oldest banks in America. They went independent and self insured.

I'm a senior on Medicare and HMO. Living on social security My premiums have gone up from 2012 to 2014 83%. My co-pay and deductibles have risen 35% TO 50%.

No-one has escaped the Obamacare debacle.

If you watch the news you will see that they are virtually, including the liberals, down on Obamacare and blasting it as a catastrophe.

Read my E-mail
 

As a prelude I am NOT a Tea Party member. I am not a joiner at all:"

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Incoming E-mail:

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There are few times in my life I've been so profoundly shaken to the core. This is one of them. It's tearing me up inside but I know I have to share this with you. It would be wrong not to.

When I look at the future what I see is chilling. Obama's warped ideology has come into focus. He's no longer trying to be covert. Instead, he's brazenly doing everything he can to destroy America.

You can't sit there and take a wait and see approach. Donate today so we can strengthen our fight to get him out! If you don't we will fail and you won't want that when you realize what's happening. Even our top military officials are watching Obama's every move, gravely concerned.

Obama is actively PURGING the military in unprecedented numbers—nearly 200 military officers have been relieved of duty since Obama took office—generals and flag officers included.

He's getting rid of those loyal to America and her Constitution, replacing them with those loyal only unto him, the king.

Military personnel who speak out are being silenced, their promotions denied.

He cut a stunning $1.3 trillion from the Pentagon budget—money that helps protect our soldiers—gives them firearms and weapons, the ability to carry out their missions safely.

Retired Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely and other senior ranking military officials report that Obama is continuing on a path to degrade and demoralize the military.

It's all part of his radical second term plan to weaken us, make us vulnerable to attack.

Please, I beg you to donate today before it's too late for us. How do you think we are able to organize rallies, demonstrations and protests? It's because of you, our loyal Patriots. But those plans are on hold until we hear from you.

Please...don't wait. Martial Law is coming—he's setting us up for it right now. Not only is our military under attack but gun confiscation is also underway.

Obama loyalist Lt. Col. Robert has proudly declared: Americans can kiss their guns goodbye because they're going to pry those guns from our cold, dead hands.

In fact, there's a movement afoot to waive our election laws, putting Obama in for a third term. We have to stop him no matter what it takes...but there's no way we can do it without your support.

We have letters, emails and faxes to get out. Phone calls to make across America, alerting innocent, unsuspecting citizens of Obama's radical second term plans.

I know it's the holidays but when our citizens are distracted is when Obama skirts our laws, bypasses Congress and makes dangerous stealth moves without anyone knowing until it's too late. We can't let our guard down.

We're up against big deadlines. Thousands of letters, emails, faxes, memos are ready to go as soon as we hear from you. We have leaders in DC secretly meeting with top-ranking officials to dismantle Obama's plans. If you don't step up, we have to ask them to step down.

Will you help?

Steve Eichler
CEO
Tea Party

P.S. - Wait! Did you sign the petition to IMPEACH OBAMA yet? Please sign it and get your family and friends to sign it, too.

FORWARD This Email TO A FRIEND

Because if you do mention it, well you might offend someone. Be called a bully or one of the many other talking points provided by this administration.

This thread started out discussing the insane dishonest attack on our healthcare system. There is one main person in the forefront responsible for all this crap and that is Obama!!! If telling the truth about that is accepted as unacceptable and nothing is said or done, then we as citizens are just as responsible. The media certainly has lost almost all credibility.

Spot on.
 

Too many German citizens zipped it up and didn't oppose Adolph Hitler.

Your courage and outspokenness is refreshing.

Speaking for myself, Over many years I was banned from just about every website for arguing. They are certainly not the province of freedom of expression.

Over the years I have bided my time and re=registered successfully under different ID and password and/or different computers with other IP addresses. However, I have never posted on any of them again. I just proved my point and didn't want to associate with such.

More trouble.
 

This mornings Fox News:

Social security recipients received a 1.3% cost of living increase over years while food stamp recipients received 30% increase.

Military:

These has been some clarification.

Under the present proposals for 2014 an enlisted man will lose $54,000 over lifetime in pension and an officer $124,000 over life in pension cut backs.
I still have not satisfactorily obtained desired information to draw any conclusions about this.

*Note: Previously stated, not Fox news, Congress voted themselves a 4.5% pay increase. Thus the fat cats will belly up to the bar first and foremost while you and I can suck wind.

Here are links to Social Security opportunities and military pay.

#1. I do not pursue the SS offerings at all as I am suspicious.

http://t.hp13.us.msn.com/?pc=HPDTDFJS&ocid=HPCDHP

#2. I'll look at military salary but wait for more info.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/ranks/army_ranks.asp

New initiative.
 

Yesterday, and before, I posted messages on websites that had banned me before. They offered welcome and thanks with open arms !!!

One said: We are a little bit slow now so don't be a stranger.

It seems that all of these websites have suffered diminished interest and activity.

It's a sign of the times. Dedicated Patriots are seemingly losing steam and enthusiasm, maybe burn out
from so many frustrating year's of losing steadily to liberals, democrats, socialists, anarchists, scofflaws.

Too bad, so sad ----------------Not me !

I'm up and running rattling chains.

Just remember: " (He who speaks not is not heard. )".

Which ones welcomed you back? How many of us are actually still left

Which ones welcomed you back? How many of us are actually still left


Good questions. I will say that this is not an illegal info forum any more. It is pure political now.

Nearly everything in life is a political exercise in one form or another. The perennial child pestering a parent with repeated "why"s when the instruction was "no" is a form of politics, as is a child being on good behavior just long enough to be rewarded in some fashion. So is punishment when the child won't behave.

Illegal immigration is awash in politics, from cajoling or forcing a politician to bend to your will - regardless of whatever side of several you're on, or forcing him out when he won't.

So, the solution to illegal migration is a political one...

Even though Obama has deported more illegals than any other President, he picks and chooses through executive policy as to which laws he will enforce (violating his oath to enforce the laws) and end running around Congress with executive orders, from illegal migration to lying about Benghazi to punishing dissenters with IRS audits and FBI investigations to further misusing the Justice department to his agendas to more back handed tricks to force his agenda past Congress and pack the judiciary with far lefties to much, much, more...

And, Obama has a vested interest in promoting citizenship for illegals and shoveling all sorts of freebies on them, because the political act of doing so will make them gullible tools who will commit the political act of blindly voting in favor of his larger political agenda...

...Which mainstream America hasn't just yet jumped in the bandwagon for - such as Obamacare.

So, for his many political sins against America, including but certainly not limited to illegal immigration, it is my personal opinion (and not that of Save our State, members, affiliates, or anyone one else other than I concerning this political statement) Obama would best serve America's common interests by having a majority within Congress of any party who would be willing to impeach and remove him. That may very well depend on the political act of voting out legislators who support Obama's political agenda concerning illegal entrants.

Then there may be hope of meaningfully addressing the political problem of illegal immigration, but not until then.

I agree.
 

Illegal immigration and politics are certainly closely intertwined.

It is said that "comprehensive immigration reform" is actually amnesty. To some extent I agree. However, I see it much more in depth. First, comprehensive is a non-descript word. Second - "reform" hasn't been defined clearly. Everyone has their own interpretation. In Nancy Pelosi's mind she aspires to STOP enforcing immigration laws. Her classic: You have to pass it to find out what's in it !!!!!!

We saw in the initial days of Obamas campaign he kept proposing "CHANGE" but he never spelled out the details. Six years later we now find out what his "CHANGE" is.

It is abundantly clear that the Federal Customs and Immigration laws are not all being enforced or even close to being. We see Mayors and Governors who make up their own stuff with complete impunity. Yet those dedicated sheriffs and LEO's who enforce said laws are sued by the Government and ruled against by liberal, progressive judges.

So "comprehensive immigration reform" is actually a farce, phony, disingenuous, fake. In reality it is relaxing and ignoring the existing laws and weakening the enforcement. Not exactly amnesty but a component of weakening enforcement in virtually all areas.

In the case of Democrats - more votes. In the case of Republicans - stealing Democrat's thunder and pandering to illegals for the same purpose plus cheap labor and a multitude of other so called "benefits".

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NB: The statement that Obama has deported more illegals than anyone else is disputed by some who are knowledgeable. Typically the books are being "cooked" - i,e, phony numbers. For example including the illegal border jumpers who are turned back by the border patrol. They were never actually residents here and went back often the same day.

Note that "deportation" entails legal proceedings and an order from a judge for someone who actually took up residence here, lived in a house, or room, worked, had family and so on.

That's a little off base Rim, don't you think?

It's all spin anymore, the modern version of the used car salesman peddling a shined up old wreck with a reset odometer and sawdust packed into the rear differential to tamp down the noise of worn out gears and declaring it was driven by a little old lady from (a long gone world) Pasadena only on Sundays.

It's lying to get into your wallet, your shorts, or otherwise manipulate you into something you disagree with and is ultimately painful and make you thank them for it.

But the cooked numbers for deportation aren't helping him with his base that wants to see an amnesty. His prevarications, bungling, and presumption is starting to remind me of England's King James II, the monarch who definitely believed in the divine right of kings and pissed off everyone in the Kingdom, and eventually forced him to flee into exile disguised as a woman - to be replaced by a solicited foreigner from the Netherlands who became King William III of England.

That's a little off base Rim, don't you think?


First , I will say, I am glad your wife is ok.
No I so not think I am off base but maybe I don't understand just what you mean. Seems to me the conversations are all about Obama. Nothing more. Seems like every one forgot about illegal immigration, which was my concern even before Joe Turner's SOS.
All those miles I drove, all the hours I stood with the American flag, all the insults from the counter protesters. When we were protesting Semi Valley, gas was over $4 a gal. and Simi was a 150 mile round trip for me.
I don't think I am off base.

There will never be an acceptable solution to illegal immigration until Obama is gone. Veto power, abuse of executive order, spinning issues which happen to include immigration issues.

You can protest until you're blue in the face, but until Obama is gone and there are enough legislators and a president installed who will see that immigration law is actually enforced, it doesn't matter how much gas you put in your tank, the price of gas at the time, or how many miles you drive to protests - it's irrelevant until Obama is gone.

Obama wants the votes garnered off of new citizens from Latin America (citizenship obtained by any means necessary, fair or foul) to further agenda which is not entirely accepted by those who were born in and grew up in the United States. He will see to it, in spite of his presidential vow to enforce the laws of the land, that immigration law as intended and is currently on the books is obstructed.

It's that simple, and to think otherwise is to buy into a fool's game.

Our original street protests were to bring the issue of illegal immigration to the minds and forefront of the American public. Before we protested and created a stir on the American landscape the only people being listened to were La Raza, MECHA, MALDEF etc. We, SOS in particular, brought the real agenda of the groups and politicians pushing for another amnesty into the living rooms of the Americans across the country and through our protests we showed the people that this was a problem for everyone and every state just how badly illegals had spread. We brought attention to the drug connections, employment loss and cost of education and much more. Now the country is awake on the issues and it is our politicians who must protest, stop pandering and grow a spine. We expect our immigration laws to be enforced and need people in political office that will do just that.
Rallies and conventions are valuable, but protests will not generate much (media) coverage these days. It is the political level that will do the most today.