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I believe that this bill is bad law, and I hope that it gets overturned, because "reasonable suspicion" is too low a threshold for LE, and will lead to American citizens being harassed by LEO.
My biggest question as an American citizen of Latino heritage is, "What is meant by the term 'reasonable suspicion'"? Is it any brown person? Is it any brown person with a large family? Is it any brown person driving an older model car? Does this mean that I have to be concerned about getting pulled over for DWB (driving while brown) when I visit my family in Arizona or when I am traveling through Arizona to visit my dad in New Mexico? Perhaps I should just bypass Arizona altogether and spend my money in Nevada, Utah and Colorado. Does this mean that I have to "prove" my citizenship to any Arizona LEO just because he has "reasonable suspicion" that I am illegal? Since when do I have to prove anything to any LEO? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? This bill is full of too many holes. It is a knee jerk reaction that is going to cause more problems than it will solve, and it should be overturned. |
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If you take a look at my thread about illegal alien tracker in Sac, there are many different races being checked for immigration status. The cause usually revolves around specific ID issues, not race. Either they present false ID, no ID and give false information. or have some evidence on them that may implicate them in an illegal presence crime. |
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Edited to add: I think that the intention of this bill is admirable. However the wording of this bill is abominable. |
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Yes, if you speak with an accent, you might be an illegal immigrant. If you don't speak English at all, you cannot be a US citizen and so should be able to answer to law enforcement about the legality of your presence in the US. At any time, all the time, any time a law enforcement officer decides they want to pursue the issue. That's it. But that's the easy part, for people whose country of origin in a non-English speaking country. As long as law enforcement does not exclude fluent English speakers from investigating whether the person is illegal or not, why should anyone complain? There are other clues that law enforcement can go by in pursuing illegal immigrants and other things to observe to excite the attention of law enforcement besides ethnic origin or native language. This law is important precisely because it does not orient itself around country of origin and it well might without appearing racist. It might address the Mexican government and the activity of Mexican organized crime specifically, but it didn't. It is a bill that might easily work in California with little alteration. |
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The rest of this post is unworthy of any discussion. |
MY brown children wouldn't mind it as they know that terrorists and illegals come in all colors.
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I see this as being more fluff than fire actually. . . but my first thought was.. oh great, now they'll be moving to Ca. :rolleyes: |
Personally I feel this "profiling" Bs is way out of control
Since most illegal in Az and indeed in the US are hispanic , they should "reasonably" all be suspect Besides , If I get pulled over I have to produce ID And before anyone spouts off , I was "profiled" as looking like someone robbing 7-11s , I just produced my Id , explained where I was and where I was going and I was on my way. If you want to put the heat on illegals , or the greatest amount of them , yes , you start profiling and you don't stop. |
One of the reasons that this bill is so appalling to me is that it trades innocent until proven guilty for a temporary respite from the illegal invasion. Benjamin Franklin once said, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
As I said earlier, this bill's intentions are admirable, but the language is abominable. |
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