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Jeanfromfillmore
01-27-2010, 03:32 AM
Kellar stands by 'proud racist' remark
By Susan Abram, Staff Writer
Posted: 01/26/2010 08:07:38 PM PST
Updated: 01/26/2010 08:43:10 PM PST
VALENCIA - An overflow crowd crammed into Santa Clarita City Hall Tuesday night, most to support a councilman who called himself a "proud racist" and others to condemn his words as hateful rhetoric.
Opposing demonstrators engaged in heated exchanges of name-calling, finger-pointing and American flag-waving prior to the city council meeting.
The demonstrations were sparked by comments from Councilman Bob Kellar, who called himself a "proud racist" during an anti-illegal immigration rally two weeks ago.
On Tuesday, Kellar said his words were taken out of context and that he abhorred racism.
"Racism is wrong and should never be tolerated," Kellar said.
But many opponents have seized on it as reflecting the true mindset of Kellar and other opponents of illegal immigration.
More than 150 people packed the council chambers, with the vocal majority applauding Kellar as he entered the room.
"It's about red, white and blue - not white, brown and black," said Robert Crooks, a Canyon Country resident and president of a local Minuteman chapter. "It's about America, we the people. We are not racists."
Supporters of Kellar held signs reading, for example, "Bob Kellar `patriotic hero'."
But other demonstrators representing immigrant-rights groups held signs that read "Fire `proud racist' Bob Kellar."
"People who share Kellar's views want to see immigrants in concentration camps," said Carlos Alvarez, representing
the immigrant rights group Answer Coalition.
"Black, Latino, Asian, whites - we are all struggling together. Immigrants are not the problem."
Before the meeting, Kellar released a new statement standing behind his remarks, but saying some people had taken them out of context.
"Some have called me a racist regarding this issue," Kellar said. "Let me be perfectly clear on that point: I am not a racist. I abhor racism in any form, shape or fashion.
"However, the issue on the table is illegals and the failure of our government at all levels to deal with this `issue.'
"I am an American, a proud one. And I believe it is time we stand behind our laws and the principles that have made this nation great."
He specifically condemned racism, saying he had witnessed it when he served in the U.S. Army in Mississippi in the 1960s and in later years as he worked as a police officer and Realtor in Santa Clarita.
Those who supported Kellar called him a hero, saying no other politician has stood up to "decry the massive impact of illegal immigration on our community."
Supporters on Tuesday night called on the city council to enforce laws against hiring undocumented laborers, especially those who stand on corners under "No Stopping Anytime" signs, "waiting to find jobs meant for Americans," as a local Minuteman group said.
And many also criticized Mayor Laurene Weste, and council members Marsha McLean, Frank Ferry, and Laurie Ender for not publicly supporting Kellar.
Kellar, who has served on the council for 10 years, made the remarks at a Jan. 16 rally in Santa Clarita, attended by anti-illegal immigration groups and posted on YouTube.
He first referred to a statement from President Theodore Roosevelt that said the United States only has room for one flag and one language. He said he had quoted it at a past city council meeting.
"The only thing I heard back from a couple of people was `Bob, you sound like a racist'," Kellar said.
"I said, `That's good. If that's what you think I am because I happen to believe in America. I'm a proud racist. You're darn right I am'."
The rally was attended by members of several groups that are against illegal immigration, including the Santa Clarita Valley Independent Minutemen.
Also speaking at the rally was Jamiel Shaw Sr., an African-American whose 17-year-old son was gunned down two years ago, allegedly by a 19-year-old illegal immigrant and gang member.
Shaw made remarks similar to Kellar's about illegal immigration, saying: "If this makes me a racist, then hey, I'm going to be the best one I can. It's not racist to be pissed off, and I'm a pissed-off dad. I miss my son."
Coincidentally, as Tuesday's rally was happening at City Hall, about three miles to the west a local group was presenting a play exploring immigrant issues and seeking to end discrimination.
Santa Clarita's Human Relations Forum was scheduled to present the play "Wheels" at the Rancho Pico Junior High School Auditorium as part of the city's "A Season of Diversity program."
The play explores the freedom, mobility and dreams associated with United States citizenship and "will offer perspective on immigration, as well as the privileges and responsibilities of United States citizenship," through the eyes of a Salvadorian-American youth named Oscar.
"The City's `A Season of Diversity' program is devoted to empowering community members to eliminate all forms of discrimination,' Mayor Weste said in a statement. "The Wheels compassion play helps achieve this goal by offering residents a compassionate view of the immigration experience through a young person's eye."
http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_14274556?source=most_viewed&nclick_check=1

Jeanfromfillmore
01-27-2010, 04:16 AM
Bob Kellar: ‘I'm Not A Racist.' Everyone Else: ‘We Know'

Written by Jon Dell Wednesday, January 27 2010

Santa Clarita City Councilman's words scrutinized in multi-hour public participation period.
Whoever said words are powerful things was absolutely right. A few words landed our City Councilman Bob Kellar smack in the middle of public affairs blitz which the Council was forced to face down at Tuesday night's meeting amid local and Los Angeles market media outlets.
Speaking at an anti illegal immigration rally January 16th, Kellar lamented the financial and public safety burdens he believed to be a result of rampant illegal immigration. Kellar reminisced to the crowd about a time when he quoted Teddy Roosevelt before a Council meeting some years ago. Afterwards, Kellar said that he was approached by a few people who said "Bob, you sound like a racist." Kellar's reply was "That's good. If that's what you think I am because I happen to believe in America, I'm a proud racist, you're darn right I am." For more on Kellar's original comments, click here.
The crowd before Kellar on that day cheered. Little did he know at the time, his comments would quickly gain a head of steam among media outlets in and outside of the Santa Clarita Valley. "Proud racist" flashed in newspaper headlines, angry emails were sent to the City and residents came together in outrage or support.
The action culminated Tuesday night during the City Council's public participation period. 41 people addressed the Council and seven others submitted written comments. Of those, 38 offered explicit support for either Kellar's character or his views on illegal immigration. Eight admonished Kellar's choice of words, of which a handful requested that he be censured or punished for ethical violations. Two offered insight on immigration or racism separate from Kellar's comments. Not one comment accused Bob Kellar of being a racist.
Even those who spoke out against his choice of words expressed disbelief that he was, in fact, a racist. The consensus among the public speakers and Kellar's four fellow Council members was that he chose his word's poorly.
That left one issue resolved, and the numerous Los Angeles television stations slowly disassembled their cameras and retreated to the parking lot. However, another issue remained; did Councilman Kellar violate the City's code of ethics?
The Code of Ethics was a series of rules passed by the Council meant to govern their behavior and that of City staff. One such rule reads "When presenting their individual opinions and positions, covered persons shall explicitly state they do not represent their body or the City of Santa Clarita, nor will they allow the inference that they do." Full Code of Ethics.
At the January 16 rally, Kellar was introduced as a Councilman, although the man who introduced him testified to the Council that he was not instructed to do so. During his speech, Kellar did not specifically announce that he was not speaking on behalf of the City. On the other hand, he didn't suggest that he was speaking on the City's behalf either. However, some of the speakers at Tuesday's meeting asked for the Council to censure Kellar for violating the Code.
There are no specific punishments for violating the code of Ethics. The language was adopted not long ago and it doesn't include penalties.
The Council did seek the advice of City Attorney Karl Newton, who stated that he interpreted Kellar's comments to be "irrefutably" his own personal views.
The Council did not take any action against Kellar.
The lack of action proved to be the end of a four-hour Council meeting, in which the topic of illegal immigration took center stage. After requests from multiple speakers for each Council member to announce their position on the topic, all five reported that they were against any kind of illicit activity, including illegal immigration.
The debate over where to have discussions such as these may be next. Kellar stated that the discussion should be held at all levels of government. City Attorney Karl Newton reported that the City's hands were tied in handling some potential evidence of illegal immigrants within the City because the federal government has preempted immigration enforcement.
The turnout for the meeting was high, with many left standing in the back. Security was increased in Council Chambers, however aside from some applause and one expletive, the crowd was respectful of the rules.

http://hometownstation.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19114:bob-kellar-clarita-2010-01-26-11-01&catid=26:local-news&Itemid=97

Jeanfromfillmore
01-27-2010, 04:22 AM
UPDATED: Kellar backers pack City Hall; no action taken
Council adjourns after more than 3 hours of public comment
By Signal Staff
Posted: Jan. 26, 2010 5:51 p.m.
POSTED Jan. 26, 2010 9:55 p.m.

Tuesday, 9:55:
George Thomas of Route 66 was the last to speak, in favor of Councilman Kellar, who broke procedure to make a brief statement thanking those who turned out to support him. They applauded for approximately 30 seconds.

Mayor Laurene Weste then asked City Attorney Carl Newton to review laws relating to illegal immigration and how those laws are enforced locally.

Newton also said Kellar had every legal right to express his personal views at the rally.

Councilwoman Laurie Ender said she had initially expressed shock that Kellar had called himself a racist because she knew he was not racist.

Councilwoman McLean said Kellar's choice of words was not good, and that she did not support illegal anything.

Councilman Frank Ferry said he was against illegal immigration, but he didn't want it to be a racist issue.

Mayor Laurene Weste said the issue is not racism, it's the rule of law. She congratulated the speakers for keeping things civil, and assured the public that the city would continue to seek what she called "equitable solutions."

There was no further discussion, and Weste adjourned the meeting at 9:49 p.m.

Check tomorrow's edition of The Signal for more coverage.

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Tuesday, 9:15 p.m.:
After taking care of agenda business including voting 5-0 to OK plans for a medical center in Canyon Country, the Santa Clarita City Council opened its meeting to pubic comment.

More than two dozen members of the community weighed in on Councilman Bob Kellar's remarks at the Jan. 16 anti-illegal immigration rally at the Civic Center.

Most of the speakers supported Kellar as a pillar of the community and thanked him for bringing attention to the illegal immigration issue.

Several speakers thought Kellar should apologize.

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Tuesday 6:20 p.m.:
It's standing room only at City Hall as more than 200 people have gathered to address Santa Clarita City Councilman Bob Kellar's fiery comments about illegal immigration.

When Kellar walked into the council chambers, about half of the audience gave a standing ovation while the rest remained seated and quiet.

Public comment has not begun yet. A verbal clash between protesters occurred before the meeting.

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Tuesday 5:45 p.m.:
Crowds of protesters have gathered outside City Hall following Santa Clarita City Councilman Bob Kellar's controversial remarks about race and illegal immigration at a recent Minuteman rally.

Supporters and opponents of Kellar are expected to storm tonight's City Council meeting to address the City Council.

About 10 deputies are at City Hall, but as of 5:45 p.m. there have been no incidents so far, said Lt. Tom Bryski of the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff's Station.

Check back here for updates tonight and tomorrow's edition of The Signal for full coverage.

Ayatollahgondola
01-27-2010, 05:50 AM
On Tuesday, Kellar said his words were taken out of context and that he abhorred racism.
"Racism is wrong and should never be tolerated," Kellar said.

My lucky stars! Finally I hear the magic words. This whole affair thus far has been pretty difficult for me, mainly because there was very little of this originally. I'm glad he cleared that up publicly. That is something I can support, and now have few reservations about supporting him personally.

MowMyOwn
01-27-2010, 02:17 PM
I happened to catch a glance at the news this AM on channel 4 with Fred Rogan. He had a segment on Bob Kellers' remarks at the rally and showed that part of the youtube video. He had LA's Jack Weiss (I think it was Weiss) and an opposing opinion from a blonde woman (didn't catch her name) about this event regarding Keller.

Jack Wiess was all over Keller for the remark and agreed that he meant he was a "racist", while the blonde woman was countering him by saying she thinks the remarks by Keller are being taken out of context. At the end, Fred Rogan gave his opinion and sided with Jack Weiss saying he thought Keller spoke of racism.


What a dupe Fred Rogan is, he should stick to sports reporting.

Jeanfromfillmore
01-27-2010, 02:26 PM
I happened to catch a glance at the news this AM on channel 4 with Fred Rogan. He had a segment on Bob Kellers' remarks at the rally and showed that part of the youtube video. He had LA's Jack Weiss (I think it was Weiss) and an opposing opinion from a blonde woman (didn't catch her name) about this event regarding Keller.

Jack Wiess was all over Keller for the remark and agreed that he meant he was a "racist", while the blonde woman was countering him by saying she thinks the remarks by Keller are being taken out of context. At the end, Fred Rogan gave his opinion and sided with Jack Weiss saying he thought Keller spoke of racism.


What a dupe Fred Rogan is, he should stick to sports reporting.Another Keith Ohbermann

MowMyOwn
01-27-2010, 02:30 PM
Another Keith Ohbermann

Fred Rogan does sports, I've never seen this new thing he does as part of the news, it's like a separate segment where he comments on local news and is allowed his own opinion.

Jeanfromfillmore
01-27-2010, 02:43 PM
Fred Rogan does sports, I've never seen this new thing he does as part of the news, it's like a separate segment where he comments on local news and is allowed his own opinion.Didn't Ohbermann do sport at one time?

Ole Glory
01-27-2010, 03:15 PM
Kellar draws a crowd
Protestors on either side of heated immigration debate gather at City Hall

Carlos Alvarez, 23, of Los Angeles, right, confronts Mountain Minutemen founder Robert Crooks, 59, of Canyon Country, as they argue about immigration and racism outside City Hall on Tuesday before a City Council meeting.

Councilman Bob Kellar’s statements at a recent local Minutemen rally have stirred people’s opinions on both sides of the immigration issue
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By Jonathan Randles
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Posted: Jan. 26, 2010 10:53 p.m.
UPDATED Jan. 27, 2010 10:55 a.m.

In the hours leading up to Tuesday night’s Santa Clarita City Council meeting, the outside of City Hall was turned into an emotional powder keg as Minutemen groups and immigrant support groups clashed — a culmination after more than a week’s worth of controversy over Councilman Bob Kellar’s comments at an anti-illegal immigration rally.

The Minutemen and their supporters held signs calling Kellar “an American Hero.”

Members of the Full Rights for Immigrants Coalition, and other immigrant support groups, held signs saying “Fire ‘proud racist’ Bob Keller (sic) now!”

Kellar’s speech last week has been polarizing — drawing praise and criticism from people on either side of the debate. Some have said Kellar’s words have been taken out of context; others say his speech violated the city’s code of ethics adopted in May 2008.

Outside of City Hall, some demonstrators got into each others’ faces, yelled and pointed fingers at each other.

“Minutemen are a dying breed,” said Carlos Alvarez, 23, from Los Angeles.

“Racists say get back, we say fight back,” he and others chanted.

“Are you an American citizen?” responded Mountain Minutemen founder Robert Crooks, 59, from Canyon Country.

“Do you have a green card?” Crooks said.

Several television crews and photographers recorded the altercations as the drama unfolded. Several Los Angeles television media outlets descended on Santa Clarita to cover Tuesday’s meeting.

The meeting
Before the council meeting began, Bob Kellar emerged from a door near the dais.

Almost exactly half of the people in the audience stood up to give him applause. The other half sat silently.

Kellar shot a grin at the crowd before disappearing behind another door.

Outside the Council chambers, men and women talked about their distrust for the government.

“They’re going to take our guns away,” one man said.

Another man, Ed Ventresca of Santa Clarita, wore a shirt saying, “Stop the New World Order.”

The John Birch Society member passed out literature saying liberalism is an evil conspiracy to destroy the United States of America.

By the time the City Council convened, people were standing in the hallway outside of the chambers because the building was so crowded.

Most people waited until the end of the meeting to comment about Kellar’s remarks.

Public comment
Mayor Laurene Weste said during the meeting that she expected the public comment portion of the meeting to last at least two hours.

Most of the audience cheered when speakers came up to support Kellar. The immigrant groups that had protested for hours before, did not attend the meeting.

A few times Weste and Councilman Frank Ferry had to tell the audience to remain quiet and refrain from applauding or booing.

Local activist Bruce McFarland drew hisses from the crowd while he gave a speech critical of Kellar’s remarks.

“I will comment about Bob’s apparent stupidity on the matter at a later time,” McFarland said.

“I still call upon the Council to censure Bob Kellar for violating the code of ethics,” he said.

After his speech, a woman in the audience cursed at McFarland.

“I want to remind you that a group of Boy Scouts are in the crowd,” Weste said.

A few city Council candidates also gave prepared statements to the council.

Candidate TimBen Boydston told the Council that Kellar unintentionally violated the city’s code of ethics by not clearly stating he was not representing the city of Santa Clarita.

“The assertion that Mr. Kellar made using the term racist is not appropriate in any context,” Boydston said. “It is inflammatory.”

In an interview during a break at the meeting, Kellar said he doesn’t think he will apologize for how he phrased his comments at the rally.

“The reason I say that is maybe it takes a little something to address an important issue,” Kellar said.

Boydston, who worked on the code of ethics when he was on the City Council in 2008, asked Kellar to apologize for his remarks so the matter could be put to rest.

In previous reports, City Attorney Carl Newton said he thought it was clear Kellar was giving his own passionate opinion and did not violate the code, citing the First Amendment.

During his speech, Boydston called on the council to form a citizen’s task force that could make recommendations to Council members on how Santa Clarita can address local issues related to illegal immigration.

Council candidate David Gauny told the Council he supports Kellar’s stand against illegal immigration and that his speech has been taken out of context.

While addressing the Council, he criticized Weste for not taking a stand on the illegal immigration issue and Council members Ferry and Laurie Ender for being critical about how Kellar discussed the issue.

Gauny told the Council to take a stand on illegal immigration before April’s Council election.

In an interview during the meeting, Gauny said Kellar probably should have made it more clear that he was not representing Santa Clarita at the rally.

“He should have said it was his own opinion,” Gauny said. “It was not his intent to be divisive or malicious.”

Kellar endorsed Gauny’s run for a seat on the council.

In an interview Monday, Council candidate Harrison Katz, who also addressed the Council, said he agreed that the problem wasn’t Kellar’s stance against illegal immigration, it’s the “divisive rhetoric” Kellar used to explain his position that’s the problem.

“Anytime you call yourself a proud racist, it’s a mistake,” Katz said. “It brings embarrassment to our community.

“It was a very stupid comment,” he said.

Roger Gitlin, the leader of the Santa Clarita Valley Independent Minutemen, told the Council in a prepared statement to add a Council agenda item clarifying the city’s stance on illegal immigration.

“Santa Clarita voters want to know where you stand (on illegal immigration) and they want to know before the April, 2010 election,” Gitlin said.

Officials from the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff’s Station said they actually expected more people to show up. Deputy Laurie Baylis, who provides security at Council meetings, said there is usually only one deputy at a meeting. Last night there were three.

“I wish this many people came to every City Council meeting,” Baylis said.

Signal City Editor Brandon Lowrey contributed to this report.

Ole Glory
01-27-2010, 03:42 PM
L.A. Daily Newspaper "Opinion Section"

Not acceptable
Santa Clarita city councilman should apologize for `racist' remark or resign
Updated: 01/26/2010 04:29:45 PM PST

SANTA Clarita City Councilman Bob Kellar says his frustration over stalled immigration reform justifies his comment that he's a "proud racist." Kellar recently defended his self-description, made during a Jan. 16 anti-immigration rally, to the Daily News.

We're going to give the longtime city councilman the benefit of the doubt and assume he doesn't quite understand the term he's so blithely adopted.

Here's how Merriam-Webster defines a racist: "A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."

We hope that Kellar was employing a bit of dramatic license when he used that term. We hope his comments were off the cuff, and that he really doesn't think the failure of the federal government to address out-of-control immigration justifies the mistreatment of nonwhite people.

If so, we encourage him to apologize to all Americans for the harm he's done to immigration reform by further polarizing the debate. Then he should apologize to the residents of Santa Clarita. No doubt this story is going to go nationwide; when it does it will unfairly cast the multicultural community as a throwback to the Deep South of the 1950s.

However, if Kellar's comment truly reflects his point of view - that nonwhite people are inferior humans - he should step down. This is the 21st century, and it's unacceptable for public leaders to use that kind of talk.

Ultimately, Kellar's comment will mean little in the larger immigration reform debate. But it does illustrate the very reason that Congress keeps shying away from reform. Zealots on both sides of the issue have hijacked reasonable solutions with their racism-tinged rhetoric.

Illegal immigration is an economic and security crisis, and needs immediate and sensible solutions. But, too often, the discussion is clouded by an undercurrent of intolerance of Latinos and their culture that derails civilized discussion.

Kellar's comments brought that undercurrent to the surface. He did no favors to himself or his cause; the only beneficiaries are his opponents, who always suspected that anti-immigrant activists harbored bigoted beliefs.

Kellar needs to apologize for this comment, or step down.



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22 hrs ago What a principled stand you journalists take. Let's take a look at that definition again:A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. Gee, that sure does sound like an indictment of a certain race-based group that advocates on the basis of racial solidarity but I hardly ever hear one word from leftist journalists: La Raza.
Be Clear
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22 hrs ago This sadly distorts what the councilman said and he should be given space to dispute it. What he really said, boiled down, is that he'd proudly accept the "racist" label if anti-Americans and pro-illegal-immigration groups again play the Race Card to misrepresent his sensible American patriotism as racism.
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21 hrs ago Mexicans are the most racist people out there. How do I know? I am of Mexican decent but was born and raised in this country. I hear it all the time. MALDEF ever hear of them?? For the race everything, outside the race nothing..Isnt that racism. Who ever wrote this article must resign immediately!!! Poor journalism by the Daily News!!
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21 hrs ago Typical Daily News garbage, who wrote this garbage? If the councilman has the integrity to not be politcally correct as to not offend anyone, then maybe he is someone worth listening to. He spoke on what the large majority of people feel in this country, and I applaud him for his courage to speak as he did. If you disagree with a minority you are labeled a racist, so he called their bluff.
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21 hrs ago Im sorry but I stated earlier that MALDEF was the organization that says for the race everything, outside the race nothing? No MECCHA is the organization that says that, but MALDEF is another racist organization that im sure has the same views. Who is the moron who wrote this article??
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21 hrs ago If anyone non white had said that, they would have been applauded. As Be Clear said, his comment was misunderstood. Everyone heard "racist" and stopped listening. He owes no one an appology. This is America. Free speach and the right to our own opinions.
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20 hrs ago Are you saying that there is a possibility that Kellar does not know what "racist" means? If that is true then he should step down on the ground that he is not intelligent enough to be a councilman.
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20 hrs ago Doug wrote:
Are you saying that there is a possibility that Kellar does not know what "racist" means? If that is true then he should step down on the ground that he is not intelligent enough to be a councilman.
TRY reading the ORIGINAL stoty before you think he needs to step down. If you think that Americans who stand up for America cant say how they feel, then your the one who needs to look at himself...

American Pride
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20 hrs ago For the Daily News not saying his exact words that started the whole thing...YOUR PRETTY SAD for a newspaper reporting on this subject!
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19 hrs ago Regarding:"Not acceptable"
This is absolutely not acceptable for any decent newspaper to print such nonsense.
to begin with, calling those "demonstrations" for or against IMMIGRATION, is an intentional gross misreprsentaion and distortion of the facts, why not call the baby by his real name?
which is:"illegal immigration"? No one in his/her right mind is opposing LEAGAL immigration.
the writer of this "editorial" is so condesending to quote the dictionary definition of "racist",
every little child with half a brain knows what racist means, why wouldn't he tell us what the meaning of the word is, is? The way I see it, councilman Bob Kellar was responding to someone accusing him of being a racist, and his reply was:"If this is what racist means, than I am a proud racist". by the way, the title "racist" is being used very loosly these days by the liberal media, to describe people who don't share their view.
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18 hrs ago "Illegal Immigration" has always been a perceived problem and it will forever be in the hearts of the disenchanted! I just hope we will always have people wanting to come to United States Of America. The day we don't will be a sad day.
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13 hrs ago You don't come off as terribly intelligent in this editorial--Kellar was responding to those who called him racist for being pro-America by saying that their labels didn't matter to him. This editorial just says "Racist bad, reasonable conversation good." Apart from being an uninteresting argument (Makes one say "duh") it doesn't reflect Kellar's remarks.
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13 hrs ago jacob ilan wrote:
Regarding:"Not acceptable"
This is absolutely not acceptable for any decent newspaper to print such nonsense.
to begin with, calling those "demonstrations" for or against IMMIGRATION, is an intentional gross misreprsentaion and distortion of the facts, why not call the baby by his real name?
which is:"illegal immigration"? No one in his/her right mind is opposing LEAGAL immigration.
the writer of this "editorial" is so condesending to quote the dictionary definition of "racist",
every little child with half a brain knows what racist means, why wouldn't he tell us what the meaning of the word is, is? The way I see it, councilman Bob Kellar was responding to someone accusing him of being a racist, and his reply was:"If this is what racist means, than I am a proud racist". by the way, the title "racist" is being used very loosly these days by the liberal media, to describe people who don't share their view.
Kellar, who has served on the council for 10 years, made the remarks at a Jan. 16 rally in Santa Clarita, attended by anti-illegal immigration groups and posted on YouTube.

He first referred to a statement from President Theodore Roosevelt that said the United States only has room for one flag and one language. He said he had quoted it at a past city council meeting.

"The only thing I heard back from a couple of people was `Bob, you sound like a racist'," Kellar said.

"I said,`That's good. If that's what you think I am because I happen to believe in America. I'm a proud racist. You're darn right I am'."
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_14274556...
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7 hrs ago Mr. Editor,

What Mr. Kellar said was at the end of a comment on a quotation by Theodore Roosevelt that once an immigrant becomes an AMERICAN he is to SEVER ALLEGIANCE to their OLD country, binding wholy to being an AMERICAN. That does not make one a racist (whereby, he chose his words poorly), but more precisely, a 'nationalist'; one who deems their country to be better than any other on the face of the earth.

If you think not, perhaps you should leave for that country which you have allegiance to and renounce your AMERICAN citizenship.
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7 hrs ago Happy to live wrote:
"Illegal Immigration" has always been a perceived problem and it will forever be in the hearts of the disenchanted! I just hope we will always have people wanting to come to United States Of America. The day we don't will be a sad day.
Do not worry amigo. By the time this is over, most of Mexico will be here!
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7 hrs ago CompleteTheConcept wrote:
Mr. Editor,
What Mr. Kellar said was at the end of a comment on a quotation by Theodore Roosevelt that once an immigrant becomes an AMERICAN he is to SEVER ALLEGIANCE to their OLD country, binding wholy to being an AMERICAN. That does not make one a racist (whereby, he chose his words poorly), but more precisely, a 'nationalist'; one who deems their country to be better than any other on the face of the earth.
If you think not, perhaps you should leave for that country which you have allegiance to and renounce your AMERICAN citizenship.
If you support that racist, it means you must be a damn racist too!
Mexican
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6 hrs ago Mike wrote:
Mexicans are the most racist people out there. How do I know? I am of Mexican decent but was born and raised in this country. I hear it all the time. MALDEF ever hear of them?? For the race everything, outside the race nothing..Isnt that racism. Who ever wrote this article must resign immediately!!! Poor journalism by the Daily News!!
You are a traitor to your own people!
Ayahuasca Shaman
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Albuquerque, NM
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6 hrs ago Here's how Merriam-Webster defines a racist: "A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."
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That's exactly what La Raza purports.....

.....But the Daily News ignores that fact.

What a joke!

Now, if you're an American citizen,
you're 'racist by birth'......

......What a joke!
Glory
Glendale, CA
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6 hrs ago No he is an American standing up for Americans rights.
Bureaucratic Mess
Northridge, CA
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6 hrs ago According to today's front page news -- the people at Santa Clarita city hall weren't fooled by the out-of-context criticisms and don't buy into this LADN op/ed piece at all.

Reader
Oak Harbor, WA
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3 hrs ago Mexican wrote:
<quoted text> You are a traitor to your own people!
"His people" appear to be us, Americans. Who then are yours?
Priceless
Long Beach, CA
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2 hrs ago If the government was doing their job we would not be dealing with this. A person can only take so much.
twisted
Burbank, CA
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1 hr ago THE TRUTH BE TOLD...were you watching the news when hundreds of hispanics left their FREE classes to march on the streets of Los Angeles, chanting Si Se Puede, draped in the flag of Mexico? Not to mention chanting they were going to take California back! You are wrong, we should be afraid that our country is being taken over by the ILLEGALS. They do not look like the immigrants of old that eventually became proud American citizens from Spain or Italy. They know a free handout when they see it, they know California is a welfare state that will allow them to live here illegal without any reprisal of being deported. We have a system of coming to this country legally and becoming a citizen and that is what should be enforced and required and then, maybe, just maybe, we will not see the marching in the streets with the flag of a foreign country being flown defiantly. Remember, currently this still is the United States of America!

Jeanfromfillmore
01-27-2010, 03:48 PM
Did you notice that SOS was not mentioned once. But some of the Minutemen organizations are. This has happened over and over again since this rally.

You will also notice that the true amount of support for Bob Kellar is not mentioned, and it was huge. Going through the article take notice on how many sentences are slanted toward the negative in regards to Kellar. The media never mentions the huge percentage of pro Kellar and the large number of speakers who demanded that illegal immigration be addressed today and by that city council.

All the city council could do was say at the end, that their hand were tied and it was a federal issue.

Jeanfromfillmore
01-27-2010, 03:53 PM
Again not one mention of SOS, but others are mentioned.


Supporters turn out for Santa Clarita councilman who called himself 'proud racist'
January 27, 2010 | 10:55 am
Supporters of a Santa Clarita councilman who called himself a “proud racist” at a recent anti-immigration rally packed the city’s council chambers to praise him for speaking out on an issue many residents find frustrating.
A few opponents called on the councilman Tuesday night to apologize for his comments, but no action was taken. The remarks made by Bob Kellar, a veteran councilman who has twice served as the city’s mayor, set off a firestorm after some residents accused Kellar of using his position to spread divisiveness and hatred.
Some out-of-area activists vented their frustration outside City Hall before the meeting. They lambasted Kellar and claimed he had violated the city’s code of ethics -- an allegation that the city’s attorney said was unfounded.
But most of the overflow crowd that attended Tuesday’s four-hour council session praised Kellar as a “caring and compassionate leader,” “a patriot” and a “proud American.”
At a Jan. 16 anti-immigration rally in Santa Clarita, Kellar referred to a statement made by President Theodore Roosevelt, noting that the United States has a place for only one flag and one language. Kellar said those remarks caused some people to accuse him of being racist, to which he replied that if believing in America causes people to believe that he is racist, “then I’m a proud racist.”
Roger Gitlin, founder of the Santa Clarita Valley Independent Minutemen, who had helped organized the anti-immigration rally, defended Kellar’s remarks as “rhetorical hyperbole.”
“He got a little ahead of himself in words,” Gitlin said. “But in no shape or form is Bob Kellar a racist....He is tired of political correctness. Nobody hates anybody. We just want the rule of law.”
A U.S. Army veteran who served 25 years with the Los Angeles Police Department, Kellar told attendees at Tuesday’s meeting that he was a proud American who was critical of the failure of the federal government to tackle illegal immigration, which burdens the nation.
“Illegal immigration is a problem for all Americans, and we need to do our part to address it,” Kellar said. “If we are to remain a nation of laws, we must respect those laws.”
But opponents called Kellar’s remarks “disgraceful” and called on the councilman to at least issue an apology.
“This kind of language is divisive and harmful to our community,” said Harrison Katz, a candidate in this April’s election for City Council.
-- Ann M. Simmons
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/supporters-turn-out-for-santa-clarita-councilman-bob-kellar-proud-racist-remark.html

Jeanfromfillmore
01-27-2010, 03:56 PM
Again, the rally is identified as a Minuteman rally, no mention of SOS.


UPDATED: Kellar backers pack City Hall; no action taken
Council adjourns after more than 3 hours of public comment
By Signal Staff
Posted: Jan. 26, 2010 5:51 p.m.
POSTED Jan. 26, 2010 9:55 p.m.

Tuesday, 9:55:
George Thomas of Route 66 was the last to speak, in favor of Councilman Kellar, who broke procedure to make a brief statement thanking those who turned out to support him. They applauded for approximately 30 seconds.

Mayor Laurene Weste then asked City Attorney Carl Newton to review laws relating to illegal immigration and how those laws are enforced locally.

Newton also said Kellar had every legal right to express his personal views at the rally.

Councilwoman Laurie Ender said she had initially expressed shock that Kellar had called himself a racist because she knew he was not racist.

Councilwoman McLean said Kellar's choice of words was not good, and that she did not support illegal anything.

Councilman Frank Ferry said he was against illegal immigration, but he didn't want it to be a racist issue.

Mayor Laurene Weste said the issue is not racism, it's the rule of law. She congratulated the speakers for keeping things civil, and assured the public that the city would continue to seek what she called "equitable solutions."

There was no further discussion, and Weste adjourned the meeting at 9:49 p.m.

Check tomorrow's edition of The Signal for more coverage.

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Tuesday, 9:15 p.m.:
After taking care of agenda business including voting 5-0 to OK plans for a medical center in Canyon Country, the Santa Clarita City Council opened its meeting to pubic comment.

More than two dozen members of the community weighed in on Councilman Bob Kellar's remarks at the Jan. 16 anti-illegal immigration rally at the Civic Center.

Most of the speakers supported Kellar as a pillar of the community and thanked him for bringing attention to the illegal immigration issue.

Several speakers thought Kellar should apologize.

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Tuesday 6:20 p.m.:
It's standing room only at City Hall as more than 200 people have gathered to address Santa Clarita City Councilman Bob Kellar's fiery comments about illegal immigration.

When Kellar walked into the council chambers, about half of the audience gave a standing ovation while the rest remained seated and quiet.

Public comment has not begun yet. A verbal clash between protesters occurred before the meeting.

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Tuesday 5:45 p.m.:
Crowds of protesters have gathered outside City Hall following Santa Clarita City Councilman Bob Kellar's controversial remarks about race and illegal immigration at a recent Minuteman rally.

Supporters and opponents of Kellar are expected to storm tonight's City Council meeting to address the City Council.

About 10 deputies are at City Hall, but as of 5:45 p.m. there have been no incidents so far, said Lt. Tom Bryski of the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff's Station.

Check back here for updates tonight and tomorrow's edition of The Signal for full coverage.

Ayatollahgondola
01-28-2010, 10:04 AM
I posted a very short comment on the sac bee's story about this, and they removed it shortly after. Here's what it was.

Our group, Save Our State, hosted this event. One member particularly worked hard on the project to draw in a racially inclusive crowd that stood for secure borders and enforcement of immigration laws. The Shaw family, black, father of a teen killed by an illegal alien, also made similar comments to Kellars on video, and the bogus news wouldn't cover his. We had hispanics and asians too. You can see more on this at:
http://www.saveourstate.info/
We are chaptered as a 501c3, and our rules do not permit us to associate with racially exclusive or racially specific groups or individuals. Kellar and the Shaws have not practiced that, and the news media has twisted the commentary as usual

Ole Glory
01-28-2010, 11:49 AM
I posted a very short comment on the sac bee's story about this, and they removed it shortly after. Here's what it was.

Because of all the PC bs, the computer is programed to kick out any words like, Black, African, Hispanic, Asian, illegal alien. Words like Redneck, White Trash, Trailor Park, Cracker, Honkie, Whitey, Hillbilly, Vanilla Face, Pale Face, Wonder(enriched white) Bread, Milk Weed, In Bred, etc. are allowed.:rolleyes:

Rim05
01-28-2010, 02:08 PM
Thanks for posting even if they did take it down. We should never miss an opportunity to stab them (the press).

Rim05
01-28-2010, 02:11 PM
Because of all the PC bs, the computer is programed to kick out any words like, Black, African, Hispanic, Asian, illegal alien. Words like Redneck, White Trash, Trailor Park, Cracker, Honkie, Whitey, Hillbilly, Vanilla Face, Pale Face, Wonder(enriched white) Bread, Milk Weed, In Bred, etc. are allowed.

Sad to say but I know next to nothing about a computer but there are times when I know something is going on, or at least I think I do.:eek:

Ayatollahgondola
01-28-2010, 09:09 PM
Because of all the PC bs, the computer is programed to kick out any words like, Black, African, Hispanic, Asian, illegal alien. Words like Redneck, White Trash, Trailor Park, Cracker, Honkie, Whitey, Hillbilly, Vanilla Face, Pale Face, Wonder(enriched white) Bread, Milk Weed, In Bred, etc. are allowed.:rolleyes:

You have such a potty mouth Glory:D