The lunatic asylum ?

[wetibbe]

Is it ? One could say so.

Never in my lifetime has there been such an incredible debacle.

I'm convinced that there is definitely a psychological dysfunction in addition to serial fraud, blatant, bald faced corruption, dishonesty and scam. It is so blatant that there has to be some serious imbalance. Even the Media talk show hosts are turning hand springs and gasping with incredulity.

The latest, hard on the heels of the worst egregious prevarication in modern times: People who now sign up for affordable health care are not being recognized by their doctors because their isn't any financial procedure. In fact the web designers haven't even produced it as yet !!!!!!!

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And to top that off a judge has now ruled that Drunkuncle ala drunkle can stay in the USA. There isn't any prosecution for the many crimes. No effort to enforce the laws.

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As bad as it is I sincerely hope that it gets worse. And it seems to be doing just that. Already the pundits are prediction a major revolt and shift in 2014.

I don't have to spell it out. You all know exactly what I am talking about.

BUT ---!!!!! Anything can happen. I've been burned before. NO predictions. Wait and see and hope for the best for our people and our Nation. God Bless America.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

As I said in the past, "Watch them start eating each other."

[ilbegone]

I'm just not getting it.

If Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger had even thought about any part of the incredibly unethical, unconstitutional, and further illegal shenanigans perpetrated in and about the Obama administration there would have been national upheaval on a dramatic scale.

However, all the lying, scandals, stalling, collective executive branch amnesia defying congressional investigations and sheer insolent chutzpa heaped on the American people by the Obama administration has resulted in...

...near silence.

I just cannot wrap my head around all this.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

I'm just not getting it.

If Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger had even thought about any part of the incredibly unethical, unconstitutional, and further illegal shenanigans perpetrated in and about the Obama administration there would have been national upheaval on a dramatic scale.

However, all the lying, scandals, stalling, collective executive branch amnesia defying congressional investigations and sheer insolent chutzpa heaped on the American people by the Obama administration has resulted in...

...near silence.

I just cannot wrap my head around all this.That was a different time, when we had an educated society and citizens that cared for and protected our republic. Today most just care about being entertained and letting others take on the responsibility.

We've had 5 years of Obama putting things in place and knocking out any opposition. He has what can only be described as a cult following that will follow him no matter what, and he uses those followers to attack any opposition. Think of Jim Jones at what lengths those people went to follow their leader there are huge parallels between the two. Look at Hitler and you can see how such a person can gain strength. Obama has and still uses the non-profits to spread his "word".

We have a society today that would rather stay home and play video games or watch Dancing With the Stars than get involved. Many of those same people don't have a clue of what a republic is, or who the Vice President is for that matter. Ask people on the street what the three forms of power are in this country and you'd be lucky to get 30% to give you the correct answer. That was something we learned in grammar school or at least by the 7th grade. But not today, today the bar is so low that teachers feel accomplished if they can get students to write one sentence properly at a fifth grade level.
Obama is so much like Hitler and Jim Jones it amazes me. We have a cult society where our idols are what Hollywood throws in our face and everyone wants to be part of the cool crowd, especially the media.
What you're seeing out there is a decline of society and our freedoms being taken away without so much as a single cry. It is so sad.

[wetibbe]

I didn't post my thoughts about Adolph Hitler, but not because I was timid, just didn't think it was time yet. But it is now time.

The parallel with Hitler's popularity has weighed on my mind, not because he wanted to dominate the world or promote a super race but more specifically by the way the German people acquiesced and apparently supported all of the malevolent activity in his rise to power prior to WWII and during.

Dysfunctional big O' isn't actually smart in my view but a stooge surrounded by cunning handlers who manipulate him. None the less he promotes the destructive line to catastrophe for all of us.

He is absolutely eligible for very egregious actions making him certainly a candidate for removal and disbarment.

Our system of Government has many flaws and misgivings but lamentably it is still the best overall in our modern world. As much a Coup de Etat would be beneficial I cannot, in good conscience, support such.

Things will work out eventually in the next election.

[ilbegone]

Hitler was a street fighter, a veteran of the western front trenches. Obama is a community organizer from Chicago with a law degree.

Things were pretty bad in Germany after WWI and during the depression, Hitler put his people to work (and it wound up with unfinished WWI business erupting into WWII). We have a recession, but the only people truly going hungry in America tend to be mentally ill and live under the overpass or the children of substance abusers who don't feed their kids.

Hitler made nice and bidded his time while Germany was weak, then aggressively pushed his nationalistic issues with diplomacy by other means (war). Obama pussified a strong and just nation (very just compared to the unspoken international standard), making us an international laughing stock which has no credibility.

Hitler could work a crowd which was desperately seeking national pride, Obama works people who either have no idea of what an exceptional America was, or are bent on tearing America down.

Obama would destroy America in the name of "social justice", Hitler converted genocide into a state sponsored industry.

Obama and Hitler are apples and oranges, and both opposite extremes represented by those personalities are so friggin' wrong.

On the other hand, Lenin was a pacifist until the moment was right for the Bolsheviks to make their move, and then Lenin became a mass murdering tyrant. However, I believe Lenin was murdered by his successors, then cynically embalmed and put on public display as a hero to the soviet cause. On the other hand, one thing leads to another and Hitler was a mere schoolboy concerning genocide compared to Stalin.

And, we don't hear much about that last fact.

Imagine them taking Obama after death to the taxidermist to have him stuffed and putting him behind glass at a lectern with his right index finger aloft as a symbol of "hope and change".

Could happen.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Hitler was a street fighter, a veteran of the western front trenches. Obama is a community organizer from Chicago with a law degree.

Things were pretty bad in Germany after WWI and during the depression, Hitler put his people to work (and it wound up with unfinished WWI business erupting into WWII). We have a recession, but the only people truly going hungry in America tend to be mentally ill and live under the overpass or the children of substance abusers who don't feed their kids.

Hitler made nice and bidded his time while Germany was weak, then aggressively pushed his nationalistic issues with diplomacy by other means (war). Obama pussified a strong and just nation (very just compared to the unspoken international standard), making us an international laughing stock which has no credibility.

Hitler could work a crowd which was desperately seeking national pride, Obama works people who either have no idea of what an exceptional America was, or are bent on tearing America down.

Obama would destroy America in the name of "social justice", Hitler converted genocide into a state sponsored industry.

Obama and Hitler are apples and oranges, and both opposite extremes represented by those personalities are so friggin' wrong.

On the other hand, Lenin was a pacifist until the moment was right for the Bolsheviks to make their move, and then Lenin became a mass murdering tyrant. However, I believe Lenin was murdered by his successors, then cynically embalmed and put on public display as a hero to the soviet cause. On the other hand, one thing leads to another and Hitler was a mere schoolboy concerning genocide compared to Stalin.

And, we don't hear much about that last fact.

Imagine them taking Obama after death to the taxidermist to have him stuffed and putting him behind glass at a lectern with his right index finger aloft as a symbol of "hope and change".

Could happen.

You're taking the meaning to literal. The point being made is how many both have/had following them. In spite to how wrong or bad they are/were both are/were still being looked upon as though they are an honest and good person no matter what the evidence to the contraire. Obama has dead people lying in his path (there are more than just Benghazi), yet his cult followers ignore it.

There was a man with cancer who lost his medical insurance due to Obamacare and went on Fox New to expose what is happening and days later he is being audited by the IRS.

This guy needs to be not only impeached, but put in jail because anyone else would be seeing jail time.

[Rim05]

Careful there. We have many that I think should be "stuffed" and many I think worse of, but there they are on Fox wanting some one else punished. Fox and Followers are the worst.
You can forget it, Obama will not be impeached.:p

[Ayatollahgondola]

Careful there. We have many that I think should be "stuffed" and many I think worse of, but there they are on Fox wanting some one else punished. Fox and Followers are the worst.
You can forget it, Obama will not be impeached.:p

Bill Clinton was impeached, and he was a democrat with an equally powerful cheering section. There's an old saying in the business world, and it applies to politics as well: "no one is indispensible". Obama could cross a line with the American people, and/or the lobby that brought him to office, and keeps him from political harm. The type of persons that make presidents like Obama, Clinton, and the Bush's for that matter, are ruthless, unconscionable, and manipulative. They'd sacrifice Obama for the right price, and it might be a lot lower than you can imagine. And it might be to protect themselves or one of their own that was slightly more valuable to them in another fashion.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

There are those that don't have a clue to what is happening. They watch MSNBC and feel so informed. Sad. By the way, there was a Congressional Hearing where the word "impeach" was mentioned in regards to Obama. Also at that same hearing a "LIBERAL" Constitutional professor from George Washington University said (not verbatum)that what Obama was doing was illegal and that this is the worst corruption coming from the federal government he's seen in his lifetime and the damage may not be mendable.

[Rim05]

They watch MSNBC and feel so informed. Sad
How about watching FOX? Can't get any worse.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

They watch MSNBC and feel so informed. Sad
How about watching FOX? Can't get any worse.You dislike conservatives to the core. But refuse to acknowledge that Obama is a liar and a con, and continue to defend him along with all his other cult followers.

Answer me one question. Why was Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi and why did Obama and his cult say it was because of a video?

You let me know what you got out of MSNBC on that, all that valuable information.

[ilbegone]

You're taking the meaning too literal. The point being made is how many both have/had following them. In spite to how wrong or bad they are/were both are/were still being looked upon as though they are an honest and good person no matter what the evidence to the contraire. Obama has dead people lying in his path (there are more than just Benghazi), yet his cult followers ignore it.

There was a man with cancer who lost his medical insurance due to Obamacare and went on Fox New to expose what is happening and days later he is being audited by the IRS.

This guy needs to be not only impeached, but put in jail because anyone else would be seeing jail time.

I got you right, and my post, whether or not Chrystal clear, agrees with your post.

Hitler and Obama are two very different people, but they could both work a crowd who heard what they wanted to hear.

And the bit about Obama being preserved after death and placed in public view behind glass to be a hero to a cause...

After Lenin's death Lenin was embalmed and put on public display as a hero father to the soviet communist cause. I believe Lenin was shoved out of the way by being murdered by his successors who posthumously and cynically placed him on display as a necessary political/cultural hero (the value of propaganda). Thus the Soviet oligarchy marched in a butcher fest parade until Josef Stalin became the only figure in the parade (besides deceased speech prop / slogan fodder Vladamir Lenin).

So, we get to Obama, a man whose past is mostly a mystery (not quite believably explained with wild stories from both extreme sides) who became the most radical president to have ever held office. How did he get there, and what is his future?

Maybe Obama might serve the same fate as Lenin, to serve out his usefulness, be disposed of, then be cynically presented to the public as a hero to the "progressive" cause.

Look at Kennedy. A WII hero who wasn't really that good of a president, but was made out to be an executive branch God after his death, and boy, did the far left make hay out of his assassination.

[wetibbe]

By the minute.

Todays news:

# The 7 million expected by the administration to sign up is now actually 360,000 to date.

# Of those 360,000 sign ups there is only a small fraction, about 1%, who have actually paid the fee. Others have not paid and will not be able to be treated by medical care.

# The 7 million that "O" was depending on to fund his Black Liberation Theology agenda will NOT happen.

# The overwhelming majority of young have opted to pay the fine instead of subscribing to the ruinous fees.

# Interestingly ONLY those who have refunds due will be tapped by the IRS for collecting the fine for failure to sign up to the Communist Socialised medicine. Those not due a refund, or owe taxes, or don't owe any cannot be fined.

In my opinion this is an incredible, ill advised, experiment in social justice that has no precedent and that is invented by hopelessly incompetent, inexperienced fools that have embarked on a journey without plan, forethought nor resolution.

[Rim05]

You dislike conservatives to the core. But refuse to acknowledge that Obama is a liar and a con, and continue to defend him along with all his other cult followers.

Answer me one question. Why was Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi and why did Obama and his cult say it was because of a video?

You let me know what you got out of MSNBC on that, all that valuable information.
What I got out of all that is 'you hate Obama so much, you will fight any battle for the Rep Party. I call what I see as I see it.

As far as Obama being a liar, I remember your denial that you were ever in my car. You sure were, "In my back seat.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

You dislike conservatives to the core. But refuse to acknowledge that Obama is a liar and a con, and continue to defend him along with all his other cult followers.

Answer me one question. Why was Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi and why did Obama and his cult say it was because of a video?

You let me know what you got out of MSNBC on that, all that valuable information.
What I got out of all that is 'you hate Obama so much, you will fight any battle for the Rep Party. I call what I see as I see it.

As far as Obama being a liar, I remember your denial that you were ever in my car. You sure were, "In my back seat. No I have never been in your car. Not once, not ever! You live in Orange County or close to the border of it, somewhere down south. I'm in Northern Ventura County the opposite direction. I have had no reason to ever get in your car. I always drove myself or with those that were here on the northern end of LA and those that live in Ventura County, never with you.

But you didn't answer my question. Why was Ambassador Chris Stevens in Benghazi and why did this administration lie about it being a mob over a video? What "jewels" of truth did you learn from MSNBC? Let's hear it.

[Rim05]

No I have never been in your car. Not once, not ever! You live in Orange County or close to the border of it, somewhere down south. I'm in Northern Ventura County the opposite direction. I have had no reason to ever get in your car. I always drove myself or with those that were here on the northern end of LA and those that live in Ventura County, never with you.

But you didn't answer my question. Why was Ambassador Chris Stevens in Benghazi and why did this administration lie about it being a mob over a video? What "jewels" of truth did you learn from MSNBC? Let's hear it.

I don't report to you now and never will.
Yor are so smart you don't remember those things that you do not want to remember, that is part of your problem.
I don't run any part of the government and neither do you. All you do is listen to Fox and drink at the pool of lies.
If you want a war about the President, go for it but don't expect me to sit here quite any longer. That bat brain who got us into the never ending war is who you should be looking at.

[Rim05]

No I have never been in your car. Not once, not ever! You live in Orange County or close to the border of it, somewhere down south. I'm in Northern Ventura County the opposite direction. I have had no reason to ever get in your car. I always drove myself or with those that were here on the northern end of LA and those that live in Ventura County, never with you.

I have driven as many as 100 miles to an event,one way. My many trips to the Simi Church was 150 mile round trip and I made many of them alone. I saw you there, maybe 3 times. YES YOU DID RIDE IN MY CAR AND I WAS THE DRIVER.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

No I have never been in your car. Not once, not ever! You live in Orange County or close to the border of it, somewhere down south. I'm in Northern Ventura County the opposite direction. I have had no reason to ever get in your car. I always drove myself or with those that were here on the northern end of LA and those that live in Ventura County, never with you.

I have driven as many as 100 miles to an event,one way. My many trips to the Simi Church was 150 mile round trip and I made many of them alone. I saw you there, maybe 3 times. YES YOU DID RIDE IN MY CAR AND I WAS THE DRIVER. I live 20 miles north of Simi Valley, you are south, no I was never in your car. You just can't get that through your head!

But still you don't answer the question I asked. What have you learned from MSNBC about Chris Stevens and why were we told it was about a video? Answer that. You criticize Fox News yet you have no idea what Stevens was doing in Benghazi. MSNBC was quite quiet on the issue, so tell us what you learned and how informed you are on the issue.

[wetibbe]

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse - it did !

The latest is that applicants that signed on are now finding that their bank accounts are being raided and emptied. Examples include a total with drawl and an $800 deficit in one case reported, certainly among many more. The applicants funds are GONE and she can't pay her bills !!!!!!

Absolutely incredible. The most dysfunctional and incompetent administration ever.

[wetibbe]

Last night Greta Van Susteren was very vociferous asking if Jay Carney thinks we are all stupid. This refers to Carneys spouting about how affordable Obamacare is for the people.

Fox then posted the statistics. 69% of American's health care has gone up. In some cases doubled.

It's just incredible that this administration continues to deceive, hoodwink and bamboozle the American people in the face of overwhelming information to the contrary.

There are absolutely some screws loose and some lug nuts missing.

[wetibbe]

And now the veterans.

Seems that wrong way Corrigan is bent on self imploding.

The news media isn't very forthcoming with details. At least I can't get enough details to draw a conclusion. Seems that the administration is stiffing the veterans, tampering with pensions and taking away !! What ????

Gleaning bits, pieces and shards the veterans are very unhappy about the admin cutting 6 billion from the Military and reducing pensions, breaking a promise. It sounds as though what I happening is that the "rate of increase" is being cut, not actually taking existing pensions or reducing current payments - that's over a long period of time apparently. I'm still waiting to hear what the actual number are. Only thing I heard was that over an enlisted mans life time he will "lose" $50,000". I heard also $124,000.

Let me say this. As a senior citizen I went two years with NO cost of living adjustment. Then got 1-1/2% . Congress VOTED THEMSELVES 4-1/2%!!!!

I'm a Veteran, Korea. I was in college and was drafted and yanked out to serve. My pay was $75 per month. No pension. I got a $10,000 life insurance policy which I still have, just enough to bury me without relying on relatives to pay. My GI bill wouldn't pay for college. I got a paltry sum and could only afford to pay for a pilots license.

Now there is no more draft. It's all voluntary.

Side board: Here in my county we are running a $128 million deficit. The Town of Clarkstown was paying the Chief of police $325,000 salary annually. One disabled officer was working one day a week and collecting $326,000 annually in disability. There were 50 police officers each paid $250,000 annually!!! *( The Union ).

Further the news said the "Pres" is at the second lowest approval rating in history.!!!!!

Bottom line: Apparently the Veterans were made a promise and the administration is reneging on it, so far as I can understand at present. I need more.

But I'm OK with all. Just keep it up. Charles Krauthammer says in January things will get really bad. We'll see. I'll wait for November 2014.

[Rim05]

Charles Krauthammer says in January things will get really bad.



Everyone with a pulse should realize that.
Lets make it clear, ordinary citizens are doing the same. I am at this moment watching a beating of a homless man with a folding chair. It occured at Venice Beach,CA. No one is civil any more.

[wetibbe]

Here's a scoop friends - hot off the presses. From the ONLY remaining reliable news source. :)

Here's how I got it - the intel !!!:

I was in the super market here in Nanuet called Stop N Shop. I went to the self check out and there were two customer ahead of me so I had some dwell time. So I noticed the supermarket tabloid National Enquirer - FRONT page mind you, quote: Michelle furious, so I cadged a copy and perused.

So here's the scoop. At Nelson Mandela's funeral in South Africa the Mutt got aroused at the leggy blonde female Prime Minister of Denmark, Helle Thorning Schmidt, and began flirting with her. Michelle flipped out. The photo is of him putting the make on the blonde while Michelle is standing behind scowling with an ugly puss while the Mutt is kissing the blonde *( On the cheek ) :D

Now the extended scoop: Michelle has had it. She has moved to a separate bedroom in the White House. And contacted a divorce lawyer. Kicked him out of the Chicago house.

Check the link:

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8#q=michelle+obama+furious
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Even his own wife can't stand him !!!!!

I'm still asking myself - how on Gods green earth did this worm ever get elected ?

The answer seems to be that we would be better off if 50% of the population suddenly disappeared.

This pathetic excuse for America certainly is NOT the country I grew up in.

[Rim05]

Got elected by getting enough votes.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Here's a scoop friends - hot off the presses. From the ONLY remaining reliable news source. :)

Here's how I got it - the intel !!!:

I was in the super market here in Nanuet called Stop N Shop. I went to the self check out and there were two customer ahead of me so I had some dwell time. So I noticed the supermarket tabloid National Enquirer - FRONT page mind you, quote: Michelle furious, so I cadged a copy and perused.

So here's the scoop. At Nelson Mandela's funeral in South Africa the Mutt got aroused at the leggy blonde female Prime Minister of Denmark, Helle Thorning Schmidt, and began flirting with her. Michelle flipped out. The photo is of him putting the make on the blonde while Michelle is standing behind scowling with an ugly puss while the Mutt is kissing the blonde *( On the cheek ) :D

Now the extended scoop: Michelle has had it. She has moved to a separate bedroom in the White House. And contacted a divorce lawyer. Kicked him out of the Chicago house.

Check the link:

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8#q=michelle+obama+furious
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Even his own wife can't stand him !!!!!

I'm still asking myself - how on Gods green earth did this worm ever get elected ?

The answer seems to be that we would be better off if 50% of the population suddenly disappeared.

This pathetic excuse for America certainly is NOT the country I grew up in.He got elected by cheating, lying and stealing. By using the IRS to prevent the TeaParty orgs from their 501c4 status and against anyone that went against him, hiding and lying about what was really happening in the Middle East and what happened in Benghazi, using the Clinton connected zombies, lying about Obamacare, giving $$$ to organizations like ACORN to pack the ballot boxes and pandering to those with the right skin color, and promising free stuff. Obama has dead bodies in his path, a lot of dead bodies.

[wetibbe]

Both Jean and RIM05 are correct however Jean goes into depth and revelations.

I'm proactive. I just don't sit around and moan and groan. I take a very active role and I am VERY outspoken. This has resulted in County and Sheriff's detectives visiting my home and telling me to tone it down. In reality, although I resent any censoring of my freedom of expression, I have to admit that these friends are right. I do go overboard at times.

[Rim05]

He got elected by cheating, lying and stealing. By using the IRS to prevent the TeaParty orgs from their 501c4 status and against anyone that went against him, hiding and lying about what was really happening in the Middle East and what happened in Benghazi, using the Clinton connected zombies, lying about Obamacare, giving $$$ to organizations like ACORN to pack the ballot boxes and pandering to those with the right skin color, and promising free stuff. Obama has dead bodies in his path, a lot of dead bodies.

You are a mean spirited, Fox latrine drinking want to be Bully. Seems he is not the right skin color for you. Too bad, what is , is. Get over it.
I am not a party person. I will vote for any one I think will serve the US as it should be. That decision is MINE.
Have a Merry Christmas.

[Rim05]

I'm proactive. I just don't sit around and moan and groan. I take a very active role and I am VERY outspoken. This has resulted in County and Sheriff's detectives visiting my home and telling me to tone it down. In reality, although I resent any censoring of my freedom of expression, I have to admit that these friends are right. I do go overboard at times.

You are right, you do go over board however, it take some courage to admit it. There are some who would rather go to hell than admit a mistake. Keep it it tibbe, there is hope.
Merry Christmas.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

He got elected by cheating, lying and stealing. By using the IRS to prevent the TeaParty orgs from their 501c4 status and against anyone that went against him, hiding and lying about what was really happening in the Middle East and what happened in Benghazi, using the Clinton connected zombies, lying about Obamacare, giving $$$ to organizations like ACORN to pack the ballot boxes and pandering to those with the right skin color, and promising free stuff. Obama has dead bodies in his path, a lot of dead bodies.

You are a mean spirited, Fox latrine drinking want to be Bully. Seems he is not the right skin color for you. Too bad, what is , is. Get over it.
I am not a party person. I will vote for any one I think will serve the US as it should be. That decision is MINE.
Have a Merry Christmas.Boy I got under your skin with those bits of truth. Then to throw the race card, how typical of you leftist cult followers. Please inform us of what I stated that wasn't true. Those pieces of truth just keep adding to the pile that is burying your god. Oh, and the "Fox" bit, that's precious. You still haven't answered the question I asked about Benghazi. Oh the hypocrisy of the liberals; lies seem to be just fine with them. It's not "mean spirited" to lie, to the left it's just creative speaking. But for anyone to question and not put up with lying, well that's "mean spirited". Oh the hypocrisy, it's overflowing.

[Rim05]

Boy I got under your skin with those bits of truth. Then to throw the race card, how typical of you leftist cult followers. Please inform us of what I stated that wasn't true. Those pieces of truth just keep adding to the pile that is burying your god. Oh, and the "Fox" bit, that's precious. You still haven't answered the question I asked about Benghazi. Oh the hypocrisy of the liberals; lies seem to be just fine with them. It's not "mean spirited" to lie, to the left it's just creative speaking. But for anyone to question and not put up with lying, well that's "mean spirited". Oh the hypocrisy, it's overflowing.


Your entire post was bs as usual.
YOU ARE ON PERMANENT IGNORE.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Boy I got under your skin with those bits of truth. Then to throw the race card, how typical of you leftist cult followers. Please inform us of what I stated that wasn't true. Those pieces of truth just keep adding to the pile that is burying your god. Oh, and the "Fox" bit, that's precious. You still haven't answered the question I asked about Benghazi. Oh the hypocrisy of the liberals; lies seem to be just fine with them. It's not "mean spirited" to lie, to the left it's just creative speaking. But for anyone to question and not put up with lying, well that's "mean spirited". Oh the hypocrisy, it's overflowing.


Your entire post was bs as usual.
YOU ARE ON PERMANENT IGNORE.Now this is fun. What, no retort? Getting harder to defend the overwhelming pile of lies out of Obama's mouth, is it? Please tell us where the "bs" is. Let's break it down and let's hear what defense there can be of such things. I know MSNBC has a stockpile of talking points. But wait, even that great speaker of wisdom Chris Mathews has turned on his god Obama. Oh what to do now. Yes, it probably would be easier to just IGNORE me. You could land up on the "pants on fire list, or the Pinocchio list like Obama. Better to just let it rest.

[wetibbe]

In reality "almost" anything I write is actually taken largely from the media reports and politicians. So essentially I'm actually agreeing with some of them. Naturally my being a conservative Republican I tend to agree with Conservative Republicans. A very significant amount of what they say is actually a lot worse than most of what I produce. And it may come as a shock but there are some elements of Liberal's agenda that I can see and which may have some merit albeit limited.

As to the Mutt's pigmentation and race/ ancestry, I have addressed this numerous times. Obama is not a Negro, he is not African American. He is Bi-Racial, a mulatto, black father, white mother. Almost all of the media with almost no exceptions refer to him as Americas first black president.

I have sent a couple of E-mails to media pundits on that issue without response. It is dishonest, and racist, to ignore his mother. Why is he not referred to as Americas first WHITE President? Or Americas first bi-racial?

I also frequently referred to Kat Williams, the black comedian, with the filthiest mouth cursing out Mexicans in the audience and referring to his people as NXXXXXX and Mxxxxx Fxxxxxx. And they roar with laughter.

[Rim05]

As to the Mutt's pigmentation and race/ ancestry, I have addressed this numerous times. Obama is not a Negro, he is not African American. He is Bi-Racial, a mulatto, black father, white mother. Almost all of the media with almost no exceptions refer to him as Americas first black president.


You are stating some of the puzzle for me. As far as I can tell any one with any Black, Negro,or any other fact is the problem most white Americans abhor. That is what I have taken from many of your post about race. In my opinion he is called Americas 'first Black President because he is half Black.

[Rim05]

I also frequently referred to Kat Williams, the black comedian, with the filthiest mouth cursing out Mexicans in the audience and referring to his people as NXXXXXX and Mxxxxx Fxxxxxx. And they roar with laughter.


I do not watch comedians, most of what they are is filth. I can do with it. Every one is on this kick about "Free Speach". That is great but one jerk found out that there are limits with me. I don't use filthy langague and I will not allow any one to insult me.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

I also frequently referred to Kat Williams, the black comedian, with the filthiest mouth cursing out Mexicans in the audience and referring to his people as NXXXXXX and Mxxxxx Fxxxxxx. And they roar with laughter.


I do not watch comedians, most of what they are is filth. I can do with it. Every one is on this kick about "Free Speach". That is great but one jerk found out that there are limits with me. I don't use filthy langague and I will not allow any one to insult me. Now that's funny, defending our Constitutional right of free speech is going on a "kick". Haven't been on a university campus lately. Try saying anything that isn't straight out of the politically correct handbook and you'll be thrown off the campus. It's not a "kick"; it is fighting to get back and retain the protections our founding fathers documented for us. To the left, everything is just hunky-dory and conservatives just need to get with the program.

[ilbegone]

So, here we are...

A discussion about the so called "affordable care act" turned into a flame war and further degenerated into a race issue...

Seems he (Obama) is not the right skin color for you.

As to the Mutt's pigmentation and race/ ancestry, I have addressed this numerous times. Obama is not a Negro, he is not African American. He is Bi-Racial, a mulatto, black father, white mother. Almost all of the media with almost no exceptions refer to him as Americas first black president.

I propose that we get back to what the thread is about, Obamacare.

I spoke with a woman yesterday who's within the insurance industry.

Her take, and she was careful to state that she wasn't representing her employer with her conversation, was that the health insurance landscape has been irreparably devastated and there will be no going back to what was. As I understand her statement, it doesn't much matter whether the law is repealed, patched, or what. Reminds me of the California deregulation of the electrical industry, which is still haunting us in Ca. Nearly broke our state, and the smug bastards in Sacramento didn't realize the consequences of their actions until the utilities spun the screwing back to them, AND THEN THE IGNORANT POLITICAL ASSHOLES PANICKED IN A VIRTUALLY FUTILE EFFORT TO SAVE THEMSELVES AND THEIR THREADBARE AGENDAS.

The middle and small insurers have been or will be forced out of business, and many of those policy holders forced out of their plans ultimately won't be picked up by other insurers, or the insurers who are left in business will go broke covering those left who don't go into medicare, and the lady said "you know who pays for that - it's you and me"...

And there's always the specter of yet another bailout covering what the new law screwed up... And just who pays for that?

Which reinforces my early gut feeling that the whole thing is designed to crash and force everyone into taxpayer funded, substandard, European Union / Canadian style government single payer healthcare.

[Rim05]

I also hope the thread can get back to topic. I will question who started the 'right skin color bit'.
There are some who can not type unless it is to degrade 'President Obama'. Good luck with getting the thread back on topic. Some can change a thread for no reason.
Have a Merry Christmas.

[ilbegone]

I also hope the thread can get back to topic.

I will question who started the 'right skin color bit'.

There are some who can not type unless it is to degrade 'President Obama'. Good luck with getting the thread back on topic. Some can change a thread for no reason.
Have a Merry Christmas.

I will go on record that Obama is the most destructive president we ever had. It's not denigration, it's the bone truth.

This is how the race stuff got started in this thread, the reply to post #26 as part of the flame war which included throwing down the race trump card - whether it was intentional or not:

He (Obama - edited in for clarity) got elected by cheating, lying and stealing. By using the IRS to prevent the TeaParty orgs from their 501c4 status and against anyone that went against him, hiding and lying about what was really happening in the Middle East and what happened in Benghazi, using the Clinton connected zombies, lying about Obamacare, giving $$$ to organizations like ACORN to pack the ballot boxes and pandering to those with the right skin color, and promising free stuff. Obama has dead bodies in his path, a lot of dead bodies.

You are a mean spirited, Fox latrine drinking want to be Bully. Seems he (Obama - edited in for clarity) is not the right skin color for you. Too bad, what is , is. Get over it.
I am not a party person. I will vote for any one I think will serve the US as it should be. That decision is MINE.
Have a Merry Christmas.

Your voting choices as well as your opinion are indeed your own, as other's voting choices and opinions belong to others. These are freedoms which are being chipped away by the present administration, think about it.

Merry Christmas, let's quit fighting amongst ourselves. It just gives our opposition ammunition.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

So, here we are...

A discussion about the so called "affordable care act" turned into a flame war and further degenerated into a race issue...





I propose that we get back to what the thread is about, Obamacare.

I spoke with a woman yesterday who's within the insurance industry.

Her take, and she was careful to state that she wasn't representing her employer with her conversation, was that the health insurance landscape has been irreparably devastated and there will be no going back to what was. As I understand her statement, it doesn't much matter whether the law is repealed, patched, or what. Reminds me of the California deregulation of the electrical industry, which is still haunting us in Ca. Nearly broke our state, and the smug bastards in Sacramento didn't realize the consequences of their actions until the utilities spun the screwing back to them, AND THEN THE IGNORANT POLITICAL ASSHOLES PANICKED IN A VIRTUALLY FUTILE EFFORT TO SAVE THEMSELVES AND THEIR THREADBARE AGENDAS.

The middle and small insurers have been or will be forced out of business, and many of those policy holders forced out of their plans ultimately won't be picked up by other insurers, or the insurers who are left in business will go broke covering those left who don't go into medicare, and the lady said "you know who pays for that - it's you and me"...

And there's always the specter of yet another bailout covering what the new law screwed up... And just who pays for that?

Which reinforces my early gut feeling that the whole thing is designed to crash and force everyone into taxpayer funded, substandard, European Union / Canadian style government single payer healthcare.Well, I'm still smiling. It's Christmas Day, hope everyone enjoys the fact we can feel somewhat safe, thanks to our men and women who serve us everywhere.

You're absolutely correct, the goal all along was a one payer system, aka socialized medicine. I heard that right out of the mouth of my leftist friend over a year ago. That's exactly what she wanted. Mind you this is a person who could easily pay for her own medical, even without insurance; one of those limousine liberals that lives along the California coast and hasn't a clue about the problems of the middle class, or the poor for that matter.

It seems our social infrastructure is what the left are all about changing. But our actual hard tangible infrastructure is too susceptible to climate change and needs to be put into the recycle bin.

We now have so many that qualify for free medical and too many doctors that won't accept it, so many that in the next few years we are going to see a crisis. Another item that no one has mentioned is that with the "new" free medical comes the ability by the Government to grab onto a citizens estate; those receiving free medical and once the person dies (under the age of 65 or receiving any gov. free subsidy along with medicade) the cost paid by the government will be taken out of the persons estate; this includes land, cars and anything of value. The only way out of such a situation is to either sell everything or give it to someone in advance of getting ill.

What would happen in the past is there was a financial test given beforeany free gov paid medical was given. The person could then either use there assets to pay for their medical or give it to someone. The difference is that the person knew their assets were in jeopardy But now. no one is being told that Obamacare could take your estate.

[ilbegone]

Another item that no one has mentioned is that with the "new" free medical comes the ability by the Government to grab onto a citizens estate; those receiving free medical and once the person dies (under the age of 65 or receiving any gov. free subsidy along with medicade) the cost paid by the government will be taken out of the persons estate; this includes land, cars and anything of value. The only way out of such a situation is to either sell everything or give it to someone in advance of getting ill.

But now. no one is being told that Obamacare could take your estate.

And eventually the government will own everything is what I'm thinking.

[wetibbe]

This website is unique in that everyone seems to get along with an absence of the usual haranguing, confrontations, acrimony and fisticuffs. So I'll attenuate bashing Obama as apparently desired. Personally I don't like it either.

As to introducing racism, I will say that I think there is actually an element of racism in Obama care. Normally I am skeptical of conspiracy theories but in this instance there is a super abundance of theories about Black Liberation Theology. But since my colleagues don't want to pursue it I will drop it here in deference.
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Side board:

Over the Christmas holidays I was with my grandsons and granddaughters. Since I am an advanced senior citizen they are up in their 20's and 30's, with families/children. Deplorably ALL of them have been adversely affected by Obama care - very adversely and costly. Not a single one nor any other family or friends have been favorably benefitted. All are suffering horrendous cost increases

* One Grandson works for a subsidiary of Boeing in space and communications technology including military. His health insurance was cancelled and supplemented. It resulted in significantly incased premiums, and modified co - pay and deductibles which he says it nothing like before and much more costly.

* One granddaughter works for a major law firm in West Palm Beach, Florida. Her boss told her he was waiting to see. But they may cancel health coverage and give employees a compensatory sum to shop around independently for insurance. In other words cut them loose and leave them on their own.

Two grandsons are #1 in college so his Dad takes care of it. And #2 is in serious financial straits at 25 years of age and struggling. He cannot afford insurance.

MY son work as a mortgage broker in one of the oldest banks in America. They went independent and self insured.

I'm a senior on Medicare and HMO. Living on social security My premiums have gone up from 2012 to 2014 83%. My co-pay and deductibles have risen 35% TO 50%.

No-one has escaped the Obamacare debacle.

If you watch the news you will see that they are virtually, including the liberals, down on Obamacare and blasting it as a catastrophe.

[Rim05]

Yes, I would like to get back on topic, however, no matter the subject it seems to always steer to Obama bashing. NO MATTER THE SUBJECT. I have been subject to insults (as politicians say) by my good friend who is on IGNORE. Some one needs to stop the abuse of posters by what I called Bullies.
No one has the 'right' to insult other posters.
She is still, ON PERMANT IGNORE.

[wetibbe]

As a prelude I am NOT a Tea Party member. I am not a joiner at all:"

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Incoming E-mail:

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There are few times in my life I've been so profoundly shaken to the core. This is one of them. It's tearing me up inside but I know I have to share this with you. It would be wrong not to.

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You can't sit there and take a wait and see approach. Donate today so we can strengthen our fight to get him out! If you don't we will fail and you won't want that when you realize what's happening. Even our top military officials are watching Obama's every move, gravely concerned.

Obama is actively PURGING the military in unprecedented numbers—nearly 200 military officers have been relieved of duty since Obama took office—generals and flag officers included.

He's getting rid of those loyal to America and her Constitution, replacing them with those loyal only unto him, the king.

Military personnel who speak out are being silenced, their promotions denied.

He cut a stunning $1.3 trillion from the Pentagon budget—money that helps protect our soldiers—gives them firearms and weapons, the ability to carry out their missions safely.

Retired Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely and other senior ranking military officials report that Obama is continuing on a path to degrade and demoralize the military.

It's all part of his radical second term plan to weaken us, make us vulnerable to attack.

Please, I beg you to donate today before it's too late for us. How do you think we are able to organize rallies, demonstrations and protests? It's because of you, our loyal Patriots. But those plans are on hold until we hear from you.

Please...don't wait. Martial Law is coming—he's setting us up for it right now. Not only is our military under attack but gun confiscation is also underway.

Obama loyalist Lt. Col. Robert has proudly declared: Americans can kiss their guns goodbye because they're going to pry those guns from our cold, dead hands.

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We have letters, emails and faxes to get out. Phone calls to make across America, alerting innocent, unsuspecting citizens of Obama's radical second term plans.

I know it's the holidays but when our citizens are distracted is when Obama skirts our laws, bypasses Congress and makes dangerous stealth moves without anyone knowing until it's too late. We can't let our guard down.

We're up against big deadlines. Thousands of letters, emails, faxes, memos are ready to go as soon as we hear from you. We have leaders in DC secretly meeting with top-ranking officials to dismantle Obama's plans. If you don't step up, we have to ask them to step down.

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[Jeanfromfillmore]

I'm just not getting it.

If Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger had even thought about any part of the incredibly unethical, unconstitutional, and further illegal shenanigans perpetrated in and about the Obama administration there would have been national upheaval on a dramatic scale.

However, all the lying, scandals, stalling, collective executive branch amnesia defying congressional investigations and sheer insolent chutzpa heaped on the American people by the Obama administration has resulted in...

...near silence.

I just cannot wrap my head around all this.Because if you do mention it, well you might offend someone. Be called a bully or one of the many other talking points provided by this administration.

This thread started out discussing the insane dishonest attack on our healthcare system. There is one main person in the forefront responsible for all this crap and that is Obama!!! If telling the truth about that is accepted as unacceptable and nothing is said or done, then we as citizens are just as responsible. The media certainly has lost almost all credibility.

[wetibbe]

Too many German citizens zipped it up and didn't oppose Adolph Hitler.

Your courage and outspokenness is refreshing.

Speaking for myself, Over many years I was banned from just about every website for arguing. They are certainly not the province of freedom of expression.

Over the years I have bided my time and re=registered successfully under different ID and password and/or different computers with other IP addresses. However, I have never posted on any of them again. I just proved my point and didn't want to associate with such.

[wetibbe]

This mornings Fox News:

Social security recipients received a 1.3% cost of living increase over years while food stamp recipients received 30% increase.

Military:

These has been some clarification.

Under the present proposals for 2014 an enlisted man will lose $54,000 over lifetime in pension and an officer $124,000 over life in pension cut backs.
I still have not satisfactorily obtained desired information to draw any conclusions about this.

*Note: Previously stated, not Fox news, Congress voted themselves a 4.5% pay increase. Thus the fat cats will belly up to the bar first and foremost while you and I can suck wind.

Here are links to Social Security opportunities and military pay.

#1. I do not pursue the SS offerings at all as I am suspicious.

http://t.hp13.us.msn.com/?pc=HPDTDFJS&ocid=HPCDHP

#2. I'll look at military salary but wait for more info.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/ranks/army_ranks.asp

[wetibbe]

Yesterday, and before, I posted messages on websites that had banned me before. They offered welcome and thanks with open arms !!!

One said: We are a little bit slow now so don't be a stranger.

It seems that all of these websites have suffered diminished interest and activity.

It's a sign of the times. Dedicated Patriots are seemingly losing steam and enthusiasm, maybe burn out
from so many frustrating year's of losing steadily to liberals, democrats, socialists, anarchists, scofflaws.

Too bad, so sad ----------------Not me !

I'm up and running rattling chains.

Just remember: " (He who speaks not is not heard. )".

[Ayatollahgondola]

Yesterday, and before, I posted messages on websites that had banned me before. They offered welcome and thanks with open arms !!!

One said: We are a little bit slow now so don't be a stranger.

It seems that all of these websites have suffered diminished interest and activity.

It's a sign of the times. Dedicated Patriots are seemingly losing steam and enthusiasm, maybe burn out
from so many frustrating year's of losing steadily to liberals, democrats, socialists, anarchists, scofflaws.

Too bad, so sad ----------------Not me !

I'm up and running rattling chains.

Just remember: " (He who speaks not is not heard. )".

Which ones welcomed you back? How many of us are actually still left

[Rim05]

Which ones welcomed you back? How many of us are actually still left


Good questions. I will say that this is not an illegal info forum any more. It is pure political now.

[ilbegone]

I will say that this is not an illegal info forum any more. It is pure political now.

Nearly everything in life is a political exercise in one form or another. The perennial child pestering a parent with repeated "why"s when the instruction was "no" is a form of politics, as is a child being on good behavior just long enough to be rewarded in some fashion. So is punishment when the child won't behave.

Illegal immigration is awash in politics, from cajoling or forcing a politician to bend to your will - regardless of whatever side of several you're on, or forcing him out when he won't.

So, the solution to illegal migration is a political one...

Even though Obama has deported more illegals than any other President, he picks and chooses through executive policy as to which laws he will enforce (violating his oath to enforce the laws) and end running around Congress with executive orders, from illegal migration to lying about Benghazi to punishing dissenters with IRS audits and FBI investigations to further misusing the Justice department to his agendas to more back handed tricks to force his agenda past Congress and pack the judiciary with far lefties to much, much, more...

And, Obama has a vested interest in promoting citizenship for illegals and shoveling all sorts of freebies on them, because the political act of doing so will make them gullible tools who will commit the political act of blindly voting in favor of his larger political agenda...

...Which mainstream America hasn't just yet jumped in the bandwagon for - such as Obamacare.

So, for his many political sins against America, including but certainly not limited to illegal immigration, it is my personal opinion (and not that of Save our State, members, affiliates, or anyone one else other than I concerning this political statement) Obama would best serve America's common interests by having a majority within Congress of any party who would be willing to impeach and remove him. That may very well depend on the political act of voting out legislators who support Obama's political agenda concerning illegal entrants.

Then there may be hope of meaningfully addressing the political problem of illegal immigration, but not until then.

[wetibbe]

Illegal immigration and politics are certainly closely intertwined.

It is said that "comprehensive immigration reform" is actually amnesty. To some extent I agree. However, I see it much more in depth. First, comprehensive is a non-descript word. Second - "reform" hasn't been defined clearly. Everyone has their own interpretation. In Nancy Pelosi's mind she aspires to STOP enforcing immigration laws. Her classic: You have to pass it to find out what's in it !!!!!!

We saw in the initial days of Obamas campaign he kept proposing "CHANGE" but he never spelled out the details. Six years later we now find out what his "CHANGE" is.

It is abundantly clear that the Federal Customs and Immigration laws are not all being enforced or even close to being. We see Mayors and Governors who make up their own stuff with complete impunity. Yet those dedicated sheriffs and LEO's who enforce said laws are sued by the Government and ruled against by liberal, progressive judges.

So "comprehensive immigration reform" is actually a farce, phony, disingenuous, fake. In reality it is relaxing and ignoring the existing laws and weakening the enforcement. Not exactly amnesty but a component of weakening enforcement in virtually all areas.

In the case of Democrats - more votes. In the case of Republicans - stealing Democrat's thunder and pandering to illegals for the same purpose plus cheap labor and a multitude of other so called "benefits".

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NB: The statement that Obama has deported more illegals than anyone else is disputed by some who are knowledgeable. Typically the books are being "cooked" - i,e, phony numbers. For example including the illegal border jumpers who are turned back by the border patrol. They were never actually residents here and went back often the same day.

Note that "deportation" entails legal proceedings and an order from a judge for someone who actually took up residence here, lived in a house, or room, worked, had family and so on.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Good questions. I will say that this is not an illegal info forum any more. It is pure political now.

That's a little off base Rim, don't you think?

[ilbegone]

Illegal immigration and politics are certainly closely intertwined.

It is said that "comprehensive immigration reform" is actually amnesty. To some extent I agree. However, I see it much more in depth. First, comprehensive is a non-descript word. Second - "reform" hasn't been defined clearly. Everyone has their own interpretation. In Nancy Pelosi's mind she aspires to STOP enforcing immigration laws. Her classic: You have to pass it to find out what's in it !!!!!!

We saw in the initial days of Obamas campaign he kept proposing "CHANGE" but he never spelled out the details. Six years later we now find out what his "CHANGE" is.

It is abundantly clear that the Federal Customs and Immigration laws are not all being enforced or even close to being. We see Mayors and Governors who make up their own stuff with complete impunity. Yet those dedicated sheriffs and LEO's who enforce said laws are sued by the Government and ruled against by liberal, progressive judges.

So "comprehensive immigration reform" is actually a farce, phony, disingenuous, fake. In reality it is relaxing and ignoring the existing laws and weakening the enforcement. Not exactly amnesty but a component of weakening enforcement in virtually all areas.

In the case of Democrats - more votes. In the case of Republicans - stealing Democrat's thunder and pandering to illegals for the same purpose plus cheap labor and a multitude of other so called "benefits".

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NB: The statement that Obama has deported more illegals than anyone else is disputed by some who are knowledgeable. Typically the books are being "cooked" - i,e, phony numbers. For example including the illegal border jumpers who are turned back by the border patrol. They were never actually residents here and went back often the same day.

Note that "deportation" entails legal proceedings and an order from a judge for someone who actually took up residence here, lived in a house, or room, worked, had family and so on.

It's all spin anymore, the modern version of the used car salesman peddling a shined up old wreck with a reset odometer and sawdust packed into the rear differential to tamp down the noise of worn out gears and declaring it was driven by a little old lady from (a long gone world) Pasadena only on Sundays.

It's lying to get into your wallet, your shorts, or otherwise manipulate you into something you disagree with and is ultimately painful and make you thank them for it.

But the cooked numbers for deportation aren't helping him with his base that wants to see an amnesty. His prevarications, bungling, and presumption is starting to remind me of England's King James II, the monarch who definitely believed in the divine right of kings and pissed off everyone in the Kingdom, and eventually forced him to flee into exile disguised as a woman - to be replaced by a solicited foreigner from the Netherlands who became King William III of England.

[Rim05]

That's a little off base Rim, don't you think?


First , I will say, I am glad your wife is ok.
No I so not think I am off base but maybe I don't understand just what you mean. Seems to me the conversations are all about Obama. Nothing more. Seems like every one forgot about illegal immigration, which was my concern even before Joe Turner's SOS.
All those miles I drove, all the hours I stood with the American flag, all the insults from the counter protesters. When we were protesting Semi Valley, gas was over $4 a gal. and Simi was a 150 mile round trip for me.
I don't think I am off base.

[ilbegone]

That's a little off base Rim, don't you think?


First , I will say, I am glad your wife is ok.
No I so not think I am off base but maybe I don't understand just what you mean. Seems to me the conversations are all about Obama. Nothing more. Seems like every one forgot about illegal immigration, which was my concern even before Joe Turner's SOS.
All those miles I drove, all the hours I stood with the American flag, all the insults from the counter protesters. When we were protesting Semi Valley, gas was over $4 a gal. and Simi was a 150 mile round trip for me.
I don't think I am off base.

There will never be an acceptable solution to illegal immigration until Obama is gone. Veto power, abuse of executive order, spinning issues which happen to include immigration issues.

You can protest until you're blue in the face, but until Obama is gone and there are enough legislators and a president installed who will see that immigration law is actually enforced, it doesn't matter how much gas you put in your tank, the price of gas at the time, or how many miles you drive to protests - it's irrelevant until Obama is gone.

Obama wants the votes garnered off of new citizens from Latin America (citizenship obtained by any means necessary, fair or foul) to further agenda which is not entirely accepted by those who were born in and grew up in the United States. He will see to it, in spite of his presidential vow to enforce the laws of the land, that immigration law as intended and is currently on the books is obstructed.

It's that simple, and to think otherwise is to buy into a fool's game.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Our original street protests were to bring the issue of illegal immigration to the minds and forefront of the American public. Before we protested and created a stir on the American landscape the only people being listened to were La Raza, MECHA, MALDEF etc. We, SOS in particular, brought the real agenda of the groups and politicians pushing for another amnesty into the living rooms of the Americans across the country and through our protests we showed the people that this was a problem for everyone and every state just how badly illegals had spread. We brought attention to the drug connections, employment loss and cost of education and much more. Now the country is awake on the issues and it is our politicians who must protest, stop pandering and grow a spine. We expect our immigration laws to be enforced and need people in political office that will do just that.
Rallies and conventions are valuable, but protests will not generate much (media) coverage these days. It is the political level that will do the most today.