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Jeanfromfillmore
10-27-2009, 08:47 PM
Hispanic Immigrants’ Children Fall Behind Peers Early, Study Finds
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/21/us/21latina.html?_r=2
By JAMES C. McKINLEY Jr.
Published: October 21, 2009
HOUSTON — The children of Hispanic immigrants tend to be born healthy and start life on an intellectual par with other American children, but by the age of 2 they begin to lag in linguistic and cognitive skills, a new study by researchers at the University of California, Berkeley, shows.
The study highlights a paradox that has bedeviled educators and Hispanic families for some time. By and large, mothers from Latin American countries take care of their health during their pregnancies and give birth to robust children, but those children fall behind their peers in mental development by the time they reach grade school, and the gap tends to widen as they get older.
The new Berkeley study suggests the shortfall may start even before the children enter preschool, supporting calls in Washington to spend more on programs that coach parents to stimulate their children with books, drills and games earlier in their lives.
“Our results show a very significant gap even at age 3,” said Bruce Fuller, one of the study’s authors and a professor of education at Berkeley. “If we don’t attack this disparity early on, these kids are headed quickly for a pretty dismal future in elementary school.”
Professor Fuller said blacks and poor whites also lagged behind the curve, suggesting that poverty remained a factor in predicting how well a young mind develops. But the drop-off in the cognitive scores of Hispanic toddlers, especially those from Mexican backgrounds, was steeper than for other groups and could not be explained by economic status alone, he said.
One possible explanation is that a high percentage of Mexican and Latin American immigrant mothers have less formal schooling than the average American mother, white or black, the study’s authors said. These mothers also tend to have more children than middle-class American families, which means the toddlers get less one-on-one attention from their parents.
“The reading activities, educational games and performing the ABCs for Grandma — so often witnessed in middle-class homes — are less consistently seen in poor Latino households,” Professor Fuller said.
The study is based on data collected on 8,114 infants born in 2001 and tracked through the first two years of life by the National Center for Education Statistics. The findings will be published this week in Maternal and Child Health Journal, and a companion report will appear this fall in the medical journal Pediatrics.
The analysis showed that at 9 to 15 months, Hispanic and white children performed equally on tests of basic cognitive skills, like understanding their mother’s speech and using words and gestures. But from 24 to 36 months, the Hispanic children fell about six months behind their white peers on measures like word comprehension, more complex speech and working with their mothers on simple tasks.
The study comes as the Obama administration has been pushing for more money to help prepare infants and toddlers for school. In September, the House passed an initiative that would channel $8 billion over eight years to states with plans to improve programs serving young children.
In addition, the economic stimulus package included $3 billion for Head Start preschools and for the Early Head Start program, which helps young parents stimulate their children’s mental development.
Eugene Garcia, an education professor at Arizona State University, said the Berkeley-led study confirmed findings by others that the children of Hispanic immigrants, for reasons that remain unclear, tend to fall behind white students by as much as a grade level by the third grade.
“It seems like what might be the most helpful with Latino kids is early intervention,” Dr. Garcia said.
Carmen Rodriguez, the director of the Columbia University Head Start in New York City, said there was a waiting list of parents, most of them Hispanic, who want to take Early Head Start classes with their children.
Dr. Rodriguez said the study’s findings might reflect a surge in interest in early childhood education on the part of middle-class Americans, rather than any deficiency in the immigrant homes.
“Any low-income toddler is disadvantaged if they don’t get this kind of stimulation,” she said.



Studies find Latino toddlers lag white children in cognitive skills
The findings highlight the necessity of early intervention such as Head Start, researchers say.
By Carla Rivera
October 20, 2009 | 9:46 p.m.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-toddlers21-2009oct21,0,200059.story
Poor immigrant Latinas have healthy babies, but by age 2 or 3, their toddlers begin to lag behind white middle-class children in vocabulary, listening and problem-solving skills, according to two studies released Tuesday.

Researchers call it the "immigrant paradox": Pregnant Latino women smoke and drink less than pregnant white and African American women, Latino newborns have lower infant mortality rates, and the cognitive skill of infants 9 to 15 months are about equal for white and Latino children.

But by the time they are toddlers, Latino children trail their white counterparts by up to six months in understanding words, speaking in more complex sentences and performing such simple tasks as assembling puzzles.

The findings from researchers at UC Berkeley, UCLA and the University of Pittsburgh are based on a nationwide tracking study of more than 8,000 children born in 2001 and are being published in the Maternal and Child Health Journal and the medical journal Pediatrics.

Past studies have documented disparities between Latino children and their white peers in kindergarten and persistent achievement gaps in later grades. The new findings pinpoint the beginnings of those gaps at an earlier age than previously thought. They also highlight the urgency of early intervention -- children in preschool programs such as Head Start may already be at a disadvantage, researchers said.

"Cognitive skills and language during toddler years are a strong predictor of who will do well in kindergarten and early elementary grades," said study co-author Bruce Fuller, a professor of education and public policy at UC Berkeley. "These early lags in learning need to be addressed in a sensitive and respectful fashion, but they need to be addressed early on."

Fuller and his colleagues attribute part of the paradox to larger Latino families, which could result in individual children receiving less attention from their parents. A bigger issue, researchers say, is that poor Latino mothers tend to be less educated than women in other groups. Studies have found that undereducated parents read fewer books and share fewer stories with their children, which is fundamental for later literacy skills.

"Maternal education is the best predictor," said Eugene Garcia, a professor of education at Arizona State University, who reviewed the new studies but is not connected with them. "If moms are educated pretty well, their kids are going to be pretty well educated."

Many Latino families don't view themselves as their children's first teachers, assigning that role to schools, said study co-author Alice Kuo, a UCLA assistant professor of pediatrics.

The irony, she said, is that these families are seeking a better education for their children, but pressures to work and assimilate may hinder that goal.

The studies come at a time when early education is an increasing focus of public policy makers. President Obama has moved to provide $2.1 billion in stimulus funds for Head Start and Early Head Start and $8 billion for state early learning grants.

Norma Elizabeth Ochoa, a Whittier mother, said she hopes that such funding can expand programs such as Abriendo Puertas, a parent-training program run by the nonprofit group Families in Schools that she attended earlier this year. The classes helped her and husband, Octavio, with their children, Octavio Jr., 10 and Diego, 3.

Ochoa said she cut her work hours to spend more time with her sons. She has learned to pay more attention to their needs and now has tools to help Diego develop learning skills. The effort has paid off.

"My goal is to give them a good education, encourage them for college and make a difference in their future," she said.

carla.rivera@latimes.com
Copyright © 2009, The Los Angeles Times

Ayatollahgondola
10-27-2009, 09:01 PM
If they are placing some specific weight on the 2 year timetable, I'd say they are foolish. Not all kids mature equally, and that may also hold true for whole demographics. Brain development could be different with them, but not necessarily in a negative way. But in the event it's not some physical thing, it could also easily be cultural.

Oh wait.....then I saw the real problem:


The studies come at a time when early education is an increasing focus of public policy makers. President Obama has moved to provide $2.1 billion in stimulus funds for Head Start and Early Head Start and $8 billion for state early learning grants.

Jeanfromfillmore
10-27-2009, 09:07 PM
There is that little thing called 'genes'. Not much anyone can do about them at this time. Maybe they just have a bad gene pool. Many certainly do when it comes to height and flat butts.

Papoose
10-28-2009, 07:29 PM
Jeez, what's my excuse then?

Seriously, I can see these children lagging in linquistic skills if they're being completely confused the first 2 years of their lives with 2 languages at home.

Jeanfromfillmore
10-28-2009, 09:10 PM
I still think it's the genes. Kids can learn a language at that age very quickly. And learning a language, even more than one, can be done by children with a very low IQ. Just think about it, even retarded children learn a language and learn to talk depending on how retarded they are. I don't know at what level it become not possible, but it's very, very low. There's something else besides environment going on here.

DerailAmnesty.com
10-29-2009, 03:47 PM
Poor immigrant Latinas have healthy babies, but by age 2 or 3, their toddlers begin to lag behind white middle-class children in vocabulary, listening and problem-solving skills, according to two studies released Tuesday.

I still think it's the genes. Kids can learn a language at that age very quickly. And learning a language, even more than one, can be done by children with a very low IQ. Just think about it, even retarded children learn a language and learn to talk depending on how retarded they are. I don't know at what level it become not possible, but it's very, very low. There's something else besides environment going on here.

I disagree. It's got to be environment. It makes complete sense that, starting around age 2, Latino children from poor, immigrant families would start to fall behind. Why? Simple. They're hearing a narrower display of language and more limited vocabulary. Further, I'll venture to say that children of any race who have parents with limited education, are largely at a disadvantage to the offspring of better educated mothers and fathers. It's a question of what you're exposed to. At that age, the vast majority of your experience is your immediate family members.

Jeanfromfillmore
10-29-2009, 06:37 PM
But the drop-off in the cognitive scores of Hispanic toddlers, especially those from Mexican backgrounds, was steeper than for other groups and could not be explained by economic status alone, he said. quote

The study states that there were other factors besides poverty that were the cause of this problem. I still think it's the genes.

ilbegone
10-29-2009, 08:04 PM
I think we might be able to put this in the same category as this:

See Baby Discriminate

Kids as young as 6 months judge others based on skin color. What's a parent to do?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/214989/page/1

The article concerning the biased "study" seems to have been cleaned up - as I remember it the header was something like "Is your baby a racist?", featuring a picture of a white baby. I believe it has also been edited to be less offensive, as the article seemed to originally to be focused more on white children having racist notions, without similar reference to babies of other races.

I think we all remember this quote from the article:

If "black pride" is good for African-American children, where does that leave white children? It's horrifying to imagine kids being "proud to be white."

The comment section has been closed and I believe the commentary isn't accessible anymore, there must have been a firestorm of criticism.




I also believe that if we focus too much attention on the New York Times and LA Times articles concerning an unnamed study about brown babies and speculate as to whether the quoted conclusions are due to genes or environment, it will be spun into something like this:

...hispanic gang members, homosexuals and transvestites, Jews, and misguided college kids... http://www.nsm88.org/reports/californiaprotestreportoct2009.htm

Then the usual progression from there:

"The Holocaust - The Nazi Genocide" http://www.deathcamps.info/

Just my two cents: do what you like, but I don't think poking sticks at that sleeping dog is going to help us.

Eagle1
10-29-2009, 09:17 PM
But the drop-off in the cognitive scores of Hispanic toddlers, especially those from Mexican backgrounds, was steeper than for other groups and could not be explained by economic status alone, he said. quote

The study states that there were other factors besides poverty that were the cause of this problem. I still think it's the genes.

I agree with Jean, it is the genes. Consider that in many of the countries of origin that the parents were born in there was a shortage of available foods with people eating only what they could find and sometimes not eating at all. The lack of proteins and other essentials that are needed for a healthy body and specifically the brain if not ingested will lead to deficiencies resulting in poor cognitive skills and a host of other problems.

Once a persons physiology is affected the degraded performance can be passed on to the offspring genetically.
I believe that a poor diet has had a disastous effect on the citizens of the third world.

Factor number two, culture does begin early on though. In many South of the border and other third world nations the norm is to simply survive with whatever they can as quickly as they can. There is not an emphasis in learning the three R's as we do here and as is done in other developed nations.

Mom and dad frequently could care less about what the little one learns in school or what the report card says. School is a baby sitting service as far as they are concerned. There are exceptions of course but generally the peoples from third world countries can hardly be considered over achievers.
Culture, genes, they both have a lot to do with this issue.:eek::eek:

PochoPatriot
10-30-2009, 10:07 AM
I don't think that genetics has anything to do with this issue. There are a number of Latinos, including myself, out in the world that are intelligent and had no language skill issues. The issue is very simply culture. The Latino culture does not appreciate education. They believe in hard physical work. There is a general disdain for people that do not engage in physical labor. There is also a general fear that their children will "forget their roots" disdaining the culture and becoming "Americanized."

All this talk about genetics really causes me concern because the Latinos are not stupid. All one has to do is look at the numbers of Latinos who have become successful. In those families we see one common thread, that is the valuing of education by the parents. These parents have abandoned the old mindsets and have insisted that their children take advantage of the opportunities that would never be afforded to them in Mexico or any other Central American banana republic. Immigrant parents who understand that the key to getting ahead in America is to get an education all have descendants who are not educated.

I see the current crop of children as no different than the first wave of non Anglo-Saxon immigrants that hit America in the late 1800s to early 1900s. Many of these children are bilingual. As were most Jewish, Irish, Italian, German, Russian, Swedes, Poles, Norwegians, etc. As are most of the Asian, African and Central Americans we have now. It is not genetics. They are not some inferior ethnicity, with which mass deportations is some sort of final solution. No, they are people. They are misguided people, but they are people.

The general rule that Latinos do not value education, is not an issue that is relegated to Latinos only. There are blacks that do not value education, and there are, I dare say, whites that do not value education. However, when an education is valued than you see the rise of a people group up from poverty and into the middle class.

This is not a genetic issue. It is a cultural issue, and that issue will not go away until the illegal invasion is stopped, and the immigrants we have now are assimilated into American culture.

Jeanfromfillmore
10-30-2009, 12:09 PM
I don't think that genetics has anything to do with this issue. There are a number of Latinos, including myself, out in the world that are intelligent and had no language skill issues. The issue is very simply culture. The Latino culture does not appreciate education. They believe in hard physical work. There is a general disdain for people that do not engage in physical labor. There is also a general fear that their children will "forget their roots" disdaining the culture and becoming "Americanized."

All this talk about genetics really causes me concern because the Latinos are not stupid. All one has to do is look at the numbers of Latinos who have become successful. In those families we see one common thread, that is the valuing of education by the parents. These parents have abandoned the old mindsets and have insisted that their children take advantage of the opportunities that would never be afforded to them in Mexico or any other Central American banana republic. Immigrant parents who understand that the key to getting ahead in America is to get an education all have descendants who are not educated.

I see the current crop of children as no different than the first wave of non Anglo-Saxon immigrants that hit America in the late 1800s to early 1900s. Many of these children are bilingual. As were most Jewish, Irish, Italian, German, Russian, Swedes, Poles, Norwegians, etc. As are most of the Asian, African and Central Americans we have now. It is not genetics. They are not some inferior ethnicity, with which mass deportations is some sort of final solution. No, they are people. They are misguided people, but they are people.

The general rule that Latinos do not value education, is not an issue that is relegated to Latinos only. There are blacks that do not value education, and there are, I dare say, whites that do not value education. However, when an education is valued than you see the rise of a people group up from poverty and into the middle class.

This is not a genetic issue. It is a cultural issue, and that issue will not go away until the illegal invasion is stopped, and the immigrants we have now are assimilated into American culture.The article did not point out just 'Latinos,' it stated specifically Mexican children. And we know that whole small semi isolated villages have migrated here. You're assuming they are speaking of all of Latin America, but they're not, at least that's the way I read it. Most of Mexico and beyond are a mix of Spanish, Portuguese and other European countries including the African Continent. But the small villages are not so mixed and have a much smaller gene pool makeup. The article states the finding found that economic status is not the defining cause. Just as some diseases are genetic to specific races or people, so may be intelligence. This in itself may be the scientific grounds for mixing of different races. I know mutt dogs are better than pure breeds. Why shouldn't people be the same. Genes are like the lotto, when you have the right combination, you win, even if the odds are against you. So out of so many there will often be a winner. The question is, how many right combinations there are available to how many in the pool.

Eagle1
10-30-2009, 02:06 PM
I don't think that genetics has anything to do with this issue. There are a number of Latinos, including myself, out in the world that are intelligent and had no language skill issues. The issue is very simply culture. The Latino culture does not appreciate education. They believe in hard physical work. There is a general disdain for people that do not engage in physical labor. There is also a general fear that their children will "forget their roots" disdaining the culture and becoming "Americanized."

All this talk about genetics really causes me concern because the Latinos are not stupid. All one has to do is look at the numbers of Latinos who have become successful. In those families we see one common thread, that is the valuing of education by the parents. These parents have abandoned the old mindsets and have insisted that their children take advantage of the opportunities that would never be afforded to them in Mexico or any other Central American banana republic. Immigrant parents who understand that the key to getting ahead in America is to get an education all have descendants who are not educated.

I see the current crop of children as no different than the first wave of non Anglo-Saxon immigrants that hit America in the late 1800s to early 1900s. Many of these children are bilingual. As were most Jewish, Irish, Italian, German, Russian, Swedes, Poles, Norwegians, etc. As are most of the Asian, African and Central Americans we have now. It is not genetics. They are not some inferior ethnicity, with which mass deportations is some sort of final solution. No, they are people. They are misguided people, but they are people.

The general rule that Latinos do not value education, is not an issue that is relegated to Latinos only. There are blacks that do not value education, and there are, I dare say, whites that do not value education. However, when an education is valued than you see the rise of a people group up from poverty and into the middle class.

This is not a genetic issue. It is a cultural issue, and that issue will not go away until the illegal invasion is stopped, and the immigrants we have now are assimilated into American culture.

I don't think that every Latino family has damaged genes in this area but there are definitely a number out there.

Culture I agree is a factor but even there we have a good number of latinos around the world that excell in just about everything.

What do you mean by assimilating the immigrants already here? Are you talking about the illegal aliens that are here?

PochoPatriot
10-31-2009, 10:48 AM
I don't think that every Latino family has damaged genes in this area but there are definitely a number out there.

Culture I agree is a factor but even there we have a good number of latinos around the world that excell in just about everything.

What do you mean by assimilating the immigrants already here? Are you talking about the illegal aliens that are here?

When I speak of immigrants I am referring to legal immigrants. There is a huge problem with legal immigrants refusal to integrate in the dominant American culture.