Haitian illegals can stay

[Kathy63]

Isn't that just so special.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9D8EIM80&show_article=1

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Obama administration says it will allow Haitians already in the U.S. illegally to remain because of this week's catastrophic earthquake.
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano granted the temporary protected status on Friday.

The protection is only available to Haitians already in the country as of last Tuesday.

On Wednesday, Napolitano temporarily halted deportations of Haitians, even those already in detention.

Temporary protected status is granted to foreigners who may not be able to return safely to their country because of a natural disaster, armed conflict or other reasons.

[Twoller]

The thing to watch here is what exactly qualifies as "temporary". At some point, the situation in Haiti will have to be considered to have returned to the basket case state it was before the quake. No doubt they have will have a lot of aid money and will be putting natives to work, we hope, and we can issue a similar pretext to throw them out.

The real question here is exactly how aggressively were we throwing out illegal Haitians anyway?

[Rim05]

The real question here is exactly how aggressively were we throwing out illegal Haitians anyway?

The answer is, as someone posted on a forum a few years ago, " Before they get dry". Just where the Hell do you think they would find a place to live, find food and water right now? For once I can agree on our illegal non-enforcement.

[Kathy63]

The thing to watch here is what exactly qualifies as "temporary". At some point, the situation in Haiti will have to be considered to have returned to the basket case state it was before the quake. No doubt they have will have a lot of aid money and will be putting natives to work, we hope, and we can issue a similar pretext to throw them out.

The real question here is exactly how aggressively were we throwing out illegal Haitians anyway?

Haitians basically control the heroin importation all up and down the east coast, so we weren't doing a whole lot about illegal haitians to begin with. How long will it last? Well, how long did it last for the Honduran refugees from Hurricaine Mitch in 1998. That's still going on.

We're still processing new applications for amnesty under the 1986 rules!

[Rim05]

Haitians basically control the heroin importation all up and down the east coast, so we weren't doing a whole lot about illegal haitians to begin with. How long will it last? Well, how long did it last for the Honduran refugees from Hurricaine Mitch in 1998. That's still going on.

We're still processing new applications for amnesty under the 1986 rules!


Now we know the Mexican Drug Cartels do not control all the drugs. Thanks.

[Twoller]

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2450468

Canada relaxes immigration rules for Haitians devastated by earthquake

Jorge Barrera and Linda Nguyen, Canwest News Service
Published: Friday, January 15, 2010

PORT-AU-PRINCE -- As evacuees returned to Canada from Haiti on Saturday, the federal government relaxed this country's immigration rules to make it easier for Canadians to sponsor family members living in the earthquake-torn nation.

At a news conference in Ottawa, Immigration Minister Jason Kenney said Canada will give "priority" to Haitians who want to come to this country, if they can show that they were "severely affected"by the 7.0-magnitude earthquake that struck the Caribbean island Tuesday.

The new rules will also apply to Canadian families who want to adopt Haitian children, in hopes of speeding up the process, said Kenney.

All immigrants must still qualify under Canadian immigration standards, but will have their cases looked at more quickly.

Kenney said temporary residents already in Canada from Haiti, including students and workers, will automatically have their visas and permits extended temporarily in the wake of the largest earthquake to hit Port-au-Prince in almost two centuries.

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More at the above link.

[ilbegone]

Now we know the Mexican Drug Cartels do not control all the drugs. Thanks.

You don't hear too much about it, but there's lots of killing in Puerto Rico over cocaine.

[Rim05]

You don't hear too much about it, but there's lots of killing in Puerto Rico over cocaine.

You are correct, I don't know anything about Puerto Rico except where it is on the map. That is not a smart reply just the truth.

[Twoller]

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2010/01/18/marni-soupcoff-earthquakes-make-bad-laws.aspx

Marni Soupcoff: Earthquakes make bad laws

Posted: January 18, 2010, 9:30 AM by NP Editor
Marni Soupcoff

The devastation in Haiti is breaking the world’s heart. Politicians, media commentators and ordinary Canadians are all looking for ways to help the earthquake victims. The instinct is natural, good, commendable and wholesome — but it’s producing several bad ideas.

Canada’s government is suggesting that significantly relaxing requirements (family-reunification requirements, in particular) for Haitians to come here as immigrants and refugees would be a good way for us to lend a hand. They should know better. For reasons obvious to anyone familiar with the Mariel boatlift (in which Fidel Castro emptied his jails, and the U.S. was suddenly flooded with a host of Cuban refugees who... well, just see Scarface), issuing a blanket welcome to all citizens of another country is a dangerous proposition.

But even if some of the Haitians who’d be granted status here would be criminals, and we’d strain to fund the extensive health care, housing and social assistance they would need, it would still be a good deal for the wretched of the Earth, right?

Not necessarily: The move would be tantamount to a lottery — one that ignores the massive problems faced by all the other millions of human beings the world over who suffer in equally perilous and excruciating circumstances.

Why would we choose to embrace a crushed, suffering individual from Haiti over a crushed, suffering individual from Darfur, where hundreds of thousands have died? Or Congo, where millions have perished? Because the pictures from Haiti are more graphic and top of mind? Because on a gut level we’re more sympathetic to the casualties of natural disasters than we are to the casualties of man-made conflicts?

Our immigration system is supposed to reflect our priorities and choices about who gets to come to, and stay in, Canada. The system includes refugee provisions to protect people who are at risk of political persecution in their home countries. The victims of Haiti’s earthquake don’t fall into this category. In fact, there is no legal provision in Canada, or any other nation I know of, that systematically admits foreigners simply on the basis that their nation is poor, dysfunctional and afflicted by tragedy. If there were such a provision, literally billions of people from all over sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia would be entitled to enter Canada tomorrow.

If we admit thousands of Haitian immigrants now, we’ll feel good about ourselves for a few months, and help some people. But what happens the next time there is an earthquake — or a war, typhoon, tsunami, or drought? What happens when those victims come knocking? On what basis do we say no?

Hard cases make bad laws, as they say. The same principle applies to natural disasters: Horrible calamities lead to misguided policies.

In the short term, we should do everything we can to bring life-saving food and medical care to Haiti. But changing our immigration system’s rules — or creating massive, on-the-fly loopholes to existing rules — isn’t something that should be done while images of the dead still appear on our front pages. Instead, our lawmakers should think carefully about whether, in light of this tragedy and others like it, our system needs changing. Any changes we do make should be rules of general application — applying to the victims of this and future crises in equal measure.

Our reaction to the Haitians’ plight is a reminder that we care. The best way to put that care to good use is to ensure our immigration system truly reflects our values.

National Post
msoupcoff@nationalpost.com

[Eagle1]

The Obama administration may be looking at Haitians brought to the USA because of the hardships and devastation in that country as possible future voters for the Socialist/Marxist cause in the USA.:mad:

[Kathy63]

Haitian illegals can stay. We're bringing in tens of thousands of children, now we're bringing in others. 40,000 in the first wave.

We are importing our own demise.

[Eagle1]

Yes we are being forced into oblivion. What money do they think we have left? Doesn't the Federal Government realize that they have bankrupted a great many Americans?

We're the ones that need to have the Feds help us...by cutting taxes and abandoning ridiculous "humanitarian" efforts like this one. We're broke folks! There's nothing left to give anyone!:mad::mad::mad:

[MowMyOwn]

The answer is, as someone posted on a forum a few years ago, " Before they get dry". Just where the Hell do you think they would find a place to live, find food and water right now? For once I can agree on our illegal non-enforcement.
I'm with Rimo on this one, what would they go home to?

I have new respect for Anderson Cooper here -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-P5D887IcI

[Twoller]

The answer is, as someone posted on a forum a few years ago, " Before they get dry". Just where the Hell do you think they would find a place to live, find food and water right now? For once I can agree on our illegal non-enforcement.

I'm with Rimo on this one, what would they go home to?

I have new respect for Anderson Cooper here -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-P5D887IcI

"Before they get dry"? Really? What made the Haitians so different from all the other illegals? Was enforcement against illegal Haitians really that successful and complete? Was it that aggressive? Were we actually holding Haitians that we were ready to ship back?

Why did the photographer continue to shoot Cooper? What was Cooper doing carrying a camera? I respect news photographers. They are brave souls usually and a little crazy sometimes too. But not when they become the subjects of their own work. And news announcers? A little skepticism is in order. If this had been reported, but not photographed, I'd be a little less cynical.

[MowMyOwn]

What made the Haitians so different from all the other illegals? Nothing except their country is in shambles . . . what would they be going home to?
Were we actually holding Haitians that we were ready to ship back? According to DHS, yes.

Why did the photographer continue to shoot Cooper? Why not?
What was Cooper doing carrying a camera? I would suspect that being equipped with more than one camera on hand in a place like that is standard procedure.
And news announcers? A little skepticism is in order. If this had been reported, but not photographed, I'd be a little less cynical. You're skeptical that the footage is fake? Well, I guess anything could be staged, but if not, Cooper took a big chance with that kids blood all over him.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Anderson Cooper is a jackass. He did nothing there in Haiti that you or I would not have done given the same circumstances. Remember his Teabagger comments, I didn't forget. He's no hero.

[Kathy63]

I suggest that the Haitians here be packed up and sent back to Haiti where they are needed to help rebuild the country. After all, they have been kept healthy, well fed, they are strong and should be sent back immediately where they can help their OWN PEOPLE. There is no reason why the Haitians should be relying strictly on non-Haitians to do what they should be doing.

SEND THEM BACK NOW.

[MowMyOwn]

Anderson Cooper is a jackass. He did nothing there in Haiti that you or I would not have done given the same circumstances. Remember his Teabagger comments, I didn't forget. He's no hero.
"Hero"? no, I wouldn't go that far, I said "a new respect". I figure a guy like him may have kept walking and left the kid unattended, many elite snobs wouldn't have gotten dirty.

Respect? yes, Hero? no

[MowMyOwn]

I suggest that the Haitians here be packed up and sent back to Haiti where they are needed to help rebuild the country. After all, they have been kept healthy, well fed, they are strong and should be sent back immediately where they can help their OWN PEOPLE. There is no reason why the Haitians should be relying strictly on non-Haitians to do what they should be doing.

SEND THEM BACK NOW.
They are "temporarily protected" from deportation. I think it would be more expensive to deport them (about 200,000 of them)and feed and supply their needs, than a temporary stay here.

I think the other countries need to step up to the plate and assist with supplies, we seem to be towing a big load.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

"Hero"? no, I wouldn't go that far, I said "a new respect". I figure a guy like him may have kept walking and left the kid unattended, many elite snobs wouldn't have gotten dirty.

Respect? yes, Hero? noMy statement had nothing to do with what you posted, it was not a response to you. I was stating what I felt about the video and my reaction to it.

[Twoller]

"Hero"? no, I wouldn't go that far, I said "a new respect". I figure a guy like him may have kept walking and left the kid unattended, many elite snobs wouldn't have gotten dirty.

Respect? yes, Hero? no

The guy is a TV announcer. His life is in front of the camera. If I had heard about this without the footage, I might have had more respect. But because of the footage, I am inclined to be skeptical. These guys will do anything for attention and ratings.

Would you respect Rush Limbaugh more if he had done the same thing? It's all about self promotion. No agony is too small or too great to miss a photo opportunity.

[Rim05]

The guy is a TV announcer. His life is in front of the camera. If I had heard about this without the footage, I might have had more respect. But because of the footage, I am inclined to be skeptical. These guys will do anything for attention and ratings.

Would you respect Rush Limbaugh more if he had done the same thing? It's all about self promotion. No agony is too small or too great to miss a photo opportunity.

I do not think it is just for attention. His job is to tell what is happening is how I see it. Shepard Smith reported on the conditions in New Orleans for such a long time.

No Rush Limbaugh cannot do anything to cause me to have any respect for him.

[Kathy63]

"Journalists" and I use the term loosely, that injected themselves into situations in Haiti would not by the same kind of journalists who judged themselves to be so objective that they would not warn our military of an impending attack in Afghanistan or Iraq would it?

There are mercy flights to Haiti all the time. It would cost nothing to start repatriating Haitians so they could help their countrymen and women. Send them back, starting right now.

[Rim05]

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"Journalists" and I use the term loosely, that injected themselves into situations in Haiti would not by the same kind of journalists who judged themselves to be so objective that they would not warn our military of an impending attack in Afghanistan or Iraq would it?

There are mercy flights to Haiti all the time. It would cost nothing to start repatriating Haitians so they could help their countrymen and women. Send them back, starting right now.

There are many journalists who are reporting from Haiti and they are all reporting the same kind of stories both good and bad. What do you want them to do, report only what you want to hear?

DO TELL ME HOW THE CITIZENS THERE CAN DO VERY MUCH OF ANYTHING ON THEIR OWN. PICTURES ARE SHOWN OF THEM DIGGING BY BARE HANDS TO TRY TO FIND PEOPLE WHILE ALL THE HELP IS AT THE AIRPORT TRYING TO FINED THEIR WAY TO THE RUBBLE. YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT YOU MOST URGENT CALL TO "SEND THEM BACK, STARTING RIGHT NOW". IT WILL NOT HAPPEN FOR AT LEAST 18 MONTHS. GET OVER IT!

[Kathy63]

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE60L16H.htm

The one's here can stay until they die of old age, but no one escaping will be allowed to stay.

"Haitians need to be there to help rebuild their country, this is not an opportunity for migration," Napolitano said at a news conference in the Spanish city of Toledo.

The ones here illegally are needed to help rebuild the country as well. They can help with the rescue efforts.

[Rim05]

"Haitians need to be there to help rebuild their country, this is not an opportunity for migration," Napolitano said at a news conference in the Spanish city of Toledo.

The ones here illegally are needed to help rebuild the country as well. They can help with the rescue efforts.


What do you really think of Napolitano? She is the same ignorant thing who thinks we do not need to control our border to the south. She does not want to deport any of our southern Invaders. Her motto for the southern border seems to be "Bring more on". I posted a few days about someone a few years ago on a now defunct forum who said about the Haitians invading, "They would be deported before they were dry". I wonder why you think that thing wants anything about Invaders to stop, except for those from Haiti.

[Eagle1]

I suggest that the Haitians here be packed up and sent back to Haiti where they are needed to help rebuild the country. After all, they have been kept healthy, well fed, they are strong and should be sent back immediately where they can help their OWN PEOPLE. There is no reason why the Haitians should be relying strictly on non-Haitians to do what they should be doing.

SEND THEM BACK NOW.

You make good sense....me like you!:)

[Eagle1]

I know our benevolent government is going to build schools, hospitals and dwellings for these poor Haitians.

How nice.
So what about our homeless here in the USA? I am speaking of those who held jobs and are now in the streets.

Nothing for them of course. They're just American moms, dads and kids. Screw'em. They'll get back on their feet because they are American taxpayers.

After they do get back on their feet our benevolent government will continue to tax the hell out of them.:mad:

[Rim05]

I know our benevolent government is going to build schools, hospitals and dwellings for these poor Haitians.

How nice.
So what about our homeless here in the USA? I am speaking of those who held jobs and are now in the streets.

Nothing for them of course. They're just American moms, dads and kids. Screw'em. They'll get back on their feet because they are American taxpayers.

After they do get back on their feet our benevolent government will continue to tax the hell out of them.


Seems that everyone thinks the US is the only one doing or collecting money for Haiti. If that is what you think then you are so wrong. There are many countries who are stepping up. I even heard about something Cuba is doing and I don't consider it to be a wealthy island, just one that does care about other human beings suffering from a natural disaster.

[Eagle1]

Seems that everyone thinks the US is the only one doing or collecting money for Haiti. If that is what you think then you are so wrong. There are many countries who are stepping up. I even heard about something Cuba is doing and I don't consider it to be a wealthy island, just one that does care about other human beings suffering from a natural disaster.

Oh I am so well in tune with this thing. Believe me I know that everyone is over there helping. That is an admirable thing. I am glad that our country is helping also but I do not want our effort to be disproportionate. I do not want to see thousands of refugees brought in anymore. I've already lived through all of it and I have no desire to see the further erosion of this nation. Help them as we can within our means and keep them there. That is their home anyway.

As far as Cuba is concerned they have even less than we do here but it is always a contest between rival nations competing for recognition.

The Haitians have to get it together themselves with a little help from their friends.:)

[retiredat44]

The Obama administration may be looking at Haitians brought to the USA because of the hardships and devastation in that country as possible future voters for the Socialist/Marxist cause in the USA.:mad:

you have that right.. I don't remember hearing about how much good they are for our country either...
You want to see how people are, just walk through their country, city , or neighborhood, and that is the type of life you would live if they live by you..